tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post116458989486362450..comments2023-10-31T04:37:20.113-07:00Comments on Bloviating Zeppelin: The State of My StateBloviating Zeppelinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164810128924577362006-11-29T06:22:00.000-08:002006-11-29T06:22:00.000-08:00Folks: my point is this: enough with the mitigatio...Folks: my point is this: enough with the mitigation. We had some power and we haven't used it. Now the power is in the process of being handed back across the aisle where it is ASSURED we won't solve the problem. Enough with the apologies for the current regime. The window for change was very small and we are still sitting on our hands. It isn't about the past at all; it's about here and now. You all raise valid points which are primarily moot. The window is about 3/4ths open and in the process of being closed. It's not about blame and who did and who didn't; it's about TIMING and the TIME IS NOW.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164759298787583222006-11-28T16:14:00.000-08:002006-11-28T16:14:00.000-08:00I would have to say I agree with BWH for the most ...I would have to say I agree with BWH for the most part. I'm not saying Bush doesn't deserve part of the blame for this but I think he's gotten way too much of it. Clinton did nothing about the border and I don't remember any criticism. Reagan didn't do much either and is always attributed as so much better than Bush by many and yet Reagan and Bush have almost identical views on this issue.<BR/><BR/>I think it is a huge national security problem but I think realistically we need to be happy with the small steps that are made and push for more. And what I really don't get is all the people who punished Republicans for this when Republicans are far better on this issue than Democrats. JD Hayworth is as good as you are going to get on immigration and he almost lost re-election.<BR/><BR/>Now that the Dems are in power the odds of us getting anything done on immigration have gone right down the tubes. I don't understand how this helps matters at all.Dionnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05013166054883351020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164751897442707752006-11-28T14:11:00.000-08:002006-11-28T14:11:00.000-08:00REVKA were you born in America meaning were you bo...REVKA were you born in America meaning were you born in this country? Or did you come here to America as an immigrant legal or illegal? <BR/><BR/>You rtemind me or some Israeli friends I use to know.Kiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15238096321864927594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164733109666886072006-11-28T08:58:00.000-08:002006-11-28T08:58:00.000-08:00We allowed illegals accross our borders for decade...We allowed illegals accross our borders for decades.. Now, we are pissed and want to fix it in a year or two. This is what WE GET. I am frustrated as well and would like it stopped, but we allowed it and it has grown into this quagmire, and now you have little children of the illegals caught up in it who could go without a parent if forced back. Someone tell me what the best decision is to take care of it in a year or 5 years at the most without legalizing the illegals. Morally, the right thing to do is two fold. It is to keep the families together for the children's sake, yet not just give them a pass and make them legal. <BR/><BR/>My question is this: Could they send back WHOLE families and not allow them to split up? Then we could get off our batoonies and expedite the Visa process so people aren't waiting 12 years to get here legally. Maybe that is the solution?Rivkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074803139812941783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164726027424866292006-11-28T07:00:00.000-08:002006-11-28T07:00:00.000-08:00BWH: I still believe "we," the people, lack the wi...BWH: I still believe "we," the people, lack the will. For without the will, the continued will, the continued and increased PRESSURE on blogs such as ours, in other forms of media, TV, books, magazines, the issue will pass; it is already in the process of, as we sit and write, being passed on due to members on OUR side deciding to sit one out. We have only those who vote to the Right to blame. Of one thing I DO have confidence is the Left's proclivity to sit on their hands and do nothing beside say "no." Because, as BWH clearly writes: the Dems WANT illegals here -- more votes for themselves and a large vote for entitlements.<BR/><BR/>But I think the days of our needing to be fair in the blame placement arena should be over. The problem is finally in the limelight, people are becoming more aware, and we need to move forward on doing what is nothing more than protecting ourselves.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164720783914770032006-11-28T05:33:00.000-08:002006-11-28T05:33:00.000-08:00No suprise to me Blo, you made my point better tha...No suprise to me Blo, you made my point better than I have. On my blog you said we lack, "The Will." We, meaning the American people. <BR/><BR/>Washington has recently made some baby steps. They had to. <I>WE</I> forced them to.<BR/><BR/>The solution to this problem is complex but not complicated. The will of the people has to change. <BR/><BR/>Changing the will of the people involves changing some things about the conservative movement. The very things you want but don't get in Bush are needed throughout the movement. We have to get over our bad case of white guilt. We have to stop letting the opposition define us. We have to declare and own our authentic identity.<BR/><BR/>I take the position that immigration is great and that illegal immigration sucks. Yet by our actions and lack of action we have institutionalized illegal immigration and made legal immigration hard to do.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I think that Bush was also trying to move to fast on the comprehensive plan he came up with. We should fix the border before we fix legal immigration.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I share the presidents desire to try to get some people right with us. I don't share his scope on this. But the fact that we institutionalized illegal activity makes this hard on the heart.<BR/><BR/>I would be happy with sending people back. I would not be happy with never letting them back in. Also there should be some exceptions. These exceptions should be handled case by case based on humanitarian need.bigwhitehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378526701377764387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164708455865960212006-11-28T02:07:00.000-08:002006-11-28T02:07:00.000-08:00I could say a lot here but I have decided to sit o...I could say a lot here but I have decided to sit out on this one and read the comments why? Because often I really engage in deep analysis when I comment so it is best for me to sit out and just read the comments. Interesting point people.Kiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15238096321864927594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164678618617356132006-11-27T17:50:00.000-08:002006-11-27T17:50:00.000-08:00Not to sound like a moderate with no core, but you...Not to sound like a moderate with no core, but you are both (BWH and BLO) right. It is both a past problem, and I must say a present one as well. <BR/><BR/>I think one of the reasons why it has become an issue now is because of 9/11 and our new awareness of terrorists and crooks coming into our country. ALso, our awareness of other countries that want us brought down. An awareness that should have happened a long time ago too. But we have to start now and we can't meander around.. We have to be tough and move faster in securing our borders more than ever before due to the danger to our country.. The dinner jacket in Iran is bragging about America being brought down, why? Because he has plans to do it and has gotten support from the region and the countries surrounding it. Our enemies are many and are emboldened.. We SHOULD be batting down the hatches on the border and profiling everywhere for crying out loud. <BR/><BR/>Bush can't make this a priority because he doesn't truly believe we can expedite action due to the splitting up of illegal families here in the U.S. He thinks that would be cruel. So, we should give them a chance to make up for it, and end up getting their citizenship instead of sending them back. That is where he stands. I understand his views on the human part of it. It is compassionate, but illegal is illegal.. It is wrong. <BR/><BR/>Also, I think the hispanic vote is real important to the GOP and they don't want to 'rock the boat'.. Unfortunate, but true.<BR/><BR/>I keep thinking of "What would Reagan do?" How did he stand up to a liberal congress? How did he stand up and do the right thing with all the pressure on him not to.Rivkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074803139812941783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164678168421005592006-11-27T17:42:00.000-08:002006-11-27T17:42:00.000-08:00I agree with you BZ; this issue is far too huge to...I agree with you BZ; this issue is far too huge to continue ignoring; I also agree with BWH in the fact that "white guilt" has a lot to do with the present situation we are in. You also know that the one thing that really bothers me about Bush is that he hasn't been strong enough on the border problem, and that is a puzzlement to me because he does come from Texas. I, on the other hand, have been here only 12 years, and I see it as a huge problem. But then, I'm probably far closer to the common people than Bush is. Perhaps if he could disguise himself as a regular folk and walk around my town he'd see things in a different light.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540710405153666843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164672320698233762006-11-27T16:05:00.000-08:002006-11-27T16:05:00.000-08:00Mahndisa: thank you; as you can see, it's a Push B...Mahndisa: thank you; as you can see, it's a Push Button Issue with me because I see it every day and fund it every day with my taxes. Yes, I understand that it has been a growing problem under prior administrations, but we can no longer afford, literally and figuratively, to set the issue on Ignore Mode.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164669136162670252006-11-27T15:12:00.000-08:002006-11-27T15:12:00.000-08:0011 27 06Hey BZ and BWH:What a complex issue, cover...11 27 06<BR/><BR/>Hey BZ and BWH:<BR/>What a complex issue, covered well in this post! I agree with BZ in this case because I think Bush's stance on illegal immigration has been waaaaaaaaaaaay too soft from the beginning. He courted the Hispanic vote when he was gov of Texas and wanted to carry that over into the Presidential elections. I wonder if his stance relates to pressures from special interest groups...<BR/><BR/>Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals back in the day and I think it was the worst decision he ever made. All of us were talking about the wonderousness of the free market but didn't consider the consequences of one:<BR/>1.Flattened wages due to increased competition from ILLEGAL low wage workers.<BR/>2.Stagnation of technology in areas that are heavily dependent on ILLEGAL wokers (e.g. agriculture), the truth is that we shouldn't be using humans to pick in the fields when technology provides other resources to do so AND these other resources are faaaaaar cheaper in the long run.<BR/>3.Polarization of native US population and resentment born out of a feeling of no control over the economy...<BR/><BR/>Shall I continue the list? If Bush is to be seen as an effective leader, I think it will be via securing our borders in ways that have never been done before, which I anxiously await!!! Good post BZ.Mahndisa S. Rigmaidenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08507292526980604567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164659736908966362006-11-27T12:35:00.000-08:002006-11-27T12:35:00.000-08:00But Presidents set the pace, the tone of their ter...But Presidents set the pace, the tone of their term. Communication is the key. And the problem has worsened to the point that it has become an Issue on his watch. That alone should be a clue. Clearly other presidents have had the issue on the table, little "i."<BR/><BR/>Agreed: it is not something that just recently raised its head. However, I and others am upset insofar as the issue has become an Issue, finally, nationally and NOW is the time to take advantage of national focus and national awareness, and NOW is the time to strike whilst Illegal Immigration is still on the table and still in the national consciousness. People are finally speaking, people are finally becoming upset, finally becoming irate and motivated. THAT is why Bush and only Bush needs to address the Issue. Presidential change in 2008? Too late, too too late; no longer an issue on the table.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164653381900989972006-11-27T10:49:00.000-08:002006-11-27T10:49:00.000-08:00Listen to me. Bush, Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan...Listen to me. Bush, Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan or any other president could be named.<BR/><BR/>This problem is old. No president cared like they should have. Pragmatically, Bush has out preformed the other presidents on this particular problem. That is far from a complement for Bush because anything is better than nothing. What has been done was only done because the american people are finally demanding it. Pragmatically the next president will be forced by the constituents to do more.<BR/><BR/>Presidents don't solve these problems. The people do. Pursuading the people to pressure their government to care more about this is not necessarily the job of the president. It is the job of the leader of a movement. So far the leader of the anti illegal immigration movement has never been a president of the US.<BR/><BR/>I would hope that you start taking this problem seriously enough to take inches instead of demanding miles.<BR/><BR/>This is a long term problem. White guilt needs to go on the decline before elected officials get serious about dealing with our border. <BR/><BR/>I am not going to argue with your statistics. I'm arguing with placing the blame on the current Government. Because the problem is not merely current.bigwhitehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378526701377764387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164600621699744012006-11-26T20:10:00.000-08:002006-11-26T20:10:00.000-08:00BWH: Plus: how can you possibly disagree with the ...BWH: Plus: how can you possibly disagree with the massive amount of statistics I provided? Either Bush is on the Right side or he is not. If he is not FOR us then he is AGAINST us. There is no "in between" in this issue. How can there possibly be a mid-gap?<BR/><BR/>I couldn't give a shit less from which state he issued. He either makes proper decisions or he makes wrong decisions. He's done a nice job with "Terrorism" though he REFUSES to say that "terrorism" issues forth from the Religion of ISLAM only. He's using euphemisms.<BR/><BR/>Euphemisms will only get us KILLED.<BR/><BR/>Sack up, Bush. Or get voted out.<BR/><BR/>Looks like he got voted out.<BR/><BR/>And the Dems are even worse.<BR/><BR/>BWH: we had the chances. More than one or two. And, whilst in power, we abrogated our power.<BR/><BR/>There can only be Consequences.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164599812698390582006-11-26T19:56:00.000-08:002006-11-26T19:56:00.000-08:00BWH: I disagree vehemently. He can do MUCH about ...BWH: I disagree vehemently. He can do MUCH about this issue. I submit that you are correct: Dems and the DEM want illegals here -- as do the GOP. But I won't spread the blame or the guilt. He cottoned them in Texas, he spoke to them in their language, he assuaded CAFTA and NAFTA. <BR/><BR/>He EASILY could have taken a PUBLIC stance AGAINST the status quo but he decided not to. And then, when he quantified the Minutemen as "vigilantes" -- well, then, living in Fornicalia, Bush then became Primarily Stupid.<BR/><BR/>"A little more fair?" Not. I don't care about what came before Bush. I only care about what is here and what is now.<BR/><BR/>As a resident of Tejas I suspect you should ALSO be massively concerned as to how Bush and ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION affects your state.<BR/><BR/>It's fun to use Mexican verbs and adjectives; it's another thing entirely to have to be FORCED to use them now and in the future.<BR/><BR/>You need to be on my page. You need to be No One's Apologist.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-1164598536817951172006-11-26T19:35:00.000-08:002006-11-26T19:35:00.000-08:00Why would Bush make a problem he can't do much abo...Why would Bush make a problem he can't do much about a priority?<BR/><BR/>The Dems want illiegals here. That makes things pretty tough a president to deal with. He also is plumb eat up with the white guilt. That doesn't help either.<BR/><BR/>I think you also ought to be a little more fair with your blame. Name every president for the last 90 years. None of them really gave a damn about the border. We should have been taking it more seriously since Pancho Villa raided Columbus NM.bigwhitehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378526701377764387noreply@blogger.com