tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post7203539147069641948..comments2023-10-31T04:37:20.113-07:00Comments on Bloviating Zeppelin: On Christmas: I Stand With IsraelBloviating Zeppelinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-67662802037658554302007-12-26T18:45:00.000-08:002007-12-26T18:45:00.000-08:00First, you all know that I am a Judaphile and that...First, you all know that I am a Judaphile and that I visit and am visited by many Jewish bloggers. You all know that I support the nation of Israel and their right to exist.<BR/><BR/>But, lets take all of the religious stuff out of the picture for a moment. The Brits turned over this territory to the new nation of Israel. Later it was expanded by means of military might in conflicts that had very noble beginnings.<BR/><BR/>Some would argue that what I say is not true but they would be factually wrong.<BR/><BR/>I not only side with Israel because they are a democracy in a very undemocratic region, but also because their history plays my heart strings. I see them as yet another Lone Star State.<BR/><BR/>And about giving up land to the palestinians, that is Israel's business. My objection to it aint worth much.bigwhitehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378526701377764387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-44032520619093141552007-12-25T20:25:00.000-08:002007-12-25T20:25:00.000-08:00If all guns and bombs were removed from the Palest...If all guns and bombs were removed from the Palestinians there would be peace and the Palestinians would have a state to call home.<BR/><BR/>If the Israeli's gave up their weapons, all Jews would be dead within 2 days.<BR/><BR/>I too stand with Israel that is why I could never vote for Ron Paul.Bushwackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526043643313096753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-40199225753011878752007-12-25T19:09:00.000-08:002007-12-25T19:09:00.000-08:00TF: that's a helluva quote.BZTF: that's a helluva quote.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-84069824440227163812007-12-25T15:35:00.000-08:002007-12-25T15:35:00.000-08:00There can only be peace when they will start to lo...There can only be peace when they will start to love their children more than they hate us. ... Prime Minister Golda MeirTexasFredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06412925337032937983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-66531410488727244922007-12-25T10:45:00.000-08:002007-12-25T10:45:00.000-08:00Ditto.the Arabs have enough land, it was they who ...Ditto.<BR/><BR/>the Arabs have enough land, it was they who demanded partition, and that was supposedly dealt with before the UN got involved, it's called Jordan.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14771645943793084344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-9687708060303152742007-12-25T08:17:00.000-08:002007-12-25T08:17:00.000-08:00What is fascinating is the Jerusalem and environs ...What is fascinating is the Jerusalem and environs was pretty much a backwater in the Ottoman Empire... not really all that special, even with the importance of three religions there. Once you start dividing it up, however... ahh, then things become important. For all the trumpeting of the Balfour declaration the great influx of Jews was *after* WWII, and with good reason. Even more fun is looking back at the American experience of evangelicals trying to interest the locals in Jeffersonian agrarian views and getting nowhere. That great Antebellum movement by evangelicals didn't catch fire with anyone and the Ottomans were bemused, at best, and bored at worse with these Americans trying to re-establish a Jewish homeland. But then the American evangelical thought that the Jews would *convert* to Christianity once there, which didn't happen overmuch with the natives, not to speak of the few imports.<BR/><BR/>That would burn itself out by the end of the Civil War in the US and while Americans would have a number of prominent Jews in the State Dept and other areas of government, no one really paid much attention to it. In fact it was seen as a *good* thing as Jews might have a better understanding of the area! They were, however, American Jews and understood things just as well as normal Americans.... *sigh*<BR/><BR/>President Wilson wasn't even lukewarm on the subject, just forced into it by the British announcement when the US decided to support them in WWI. Wilson had steadfastly done *nothing* about the Armenian genocide that Morgantheau and others had reported about... and that was a continuation of the late 19th century Ottoman Turk work that Americans had protested against and started numerous Armenian-American friendship societies about. The idea of a Jewish homeland had a hard, hard time in the US in the inter-war years: it did grow but nothing like it would just after WWII.<BR/><BR/>I do, indeed, support the State of Israel as it was taken from an Empire, overseen by a second Empire, carved up by that one and then the people told to make the best they could of it by handing it over to the UN. The UN did a CF manuever thereafter. When two peoples are given a chance to form a Nation and only ONE takes advantage of that and makes something of themselves and the other people *complain*, I will support the doers and not the complainers.<BR/><BR/>Once you have a Nation your internal laws are your own affair, although abiding by Westphalia is something that is civilized. Hold yourself accountable to treaties you sign and respect other Nations, and I really have very few problems with that, although I will criticize any lack of liberty and such... but I haven't had that problem with Israel which offers more liberty and rights than any of its neighbors do. Beats Turkey by a fair amount I would say and may only now have competition in that realm from Iraq...<BR/><BR/>Palestinians? Well if they could ever get their act together to form a Nation that can at least find a DICTATOR to take it over, I might consider them to be a Nation. They can't, notably, do even that... it has to say something about a people that can't even figure out how to get a dictatorship going...A Jacksonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07607888697879327120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7370534.post-42269298360904976812007-12-25T06:22:00.000-08:002007-12-25T06:22:00.000-08:00And there will no longer be a Cana-anite (Palestin...<I>And there will no longer be a Cana-anite </I>(Palestinian)<I> in the House of the LORD of Hosts in that day.</I><BR/><BR/>Zechariah 14:21shoprathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05265612188236394307noreply@blogger.com