This Page

has been moved to new address

Justifiable Homicides UP

Sorry for inconvenience...

Redirection provided by Blogger to WordPress Migration Service
Bloviating Zeppelin: Justifiable Homicides UP

Bloviating Zeppelin

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Thursday, October 16, 2008

Justifiable Homicides UP


I am not interested, just now, in the final debate.

Instead, I offer that a recent FBI reports says (via USA Today):

WASHINGTON -- The number of justifiable homicides committed by police and private citizens has been rising in the past two years to their highest levels in more than a decade, reflecting a shoot-first philosophy in dealing with crime, say law enforcement analysts.

I have some very serious thoughts about this topic in general, predicated upon my 33 years in law enforcement (I am still a sworn LE officer). I made this comment a few weeks ago with regard to the use of force as a general issue on American And Proud:
Well, here’s the deal:

Law enforcement went to the Tazer and beanbag shotguns because they were quantified as “less than lethal” force but NOT “non-lethal” force as some in copdom write. History is obviously showing that Tazers CAN be lethal dependent upon the individual’s health, history and, at the moment of impact, what is known as “drugs on board.” There is also the adrenaline affect known as “excited delirium” which also comes into play.

As Rangemaster of my department, I told my department that suits would become such that there would be little reason to spend all the extra dollars on “less than lethal” force as it would soon prove to in fact BE lethal in SOME cases. But, of course, that’s all it takes for the ACLU and various other “humanitarian” organizations to object TO “less than lethal” force. I said in an Exec Staff meeting that money would be better spent divesting of LTL and, instead, investing in more range time, rounds, placement and gun handling skills.

I am being proven correct. An injury tort settlement yields almost the same amount of liability exposure or money as a “wrongful death” suit. You may as well shoot them. Again, I am being proven correct.

All trainers in firearms state that officers do not utilize firearms to wound, “wing” or kill. They shoot to STOP the offender from the actions requiring the utilization of the firearm. We train to stop ONLY when the OFFENDER’S deadly or harmful actions STOP.

There is some serious re-thinking and re-consideration going on in the law enforcement training communities throughout the nation. Too many “stops” in the Force Continuum (Officer thinks: “Hmm. Should I use harsh language? Sarcasm?Empty hand? Baton? Tazer? ‘Found’ objects? Beanbag? Pepperball? My sidearm? My shotgun? My long rifle?”) result in muddy thinking or late thinking in human beings.



In truth, this is a very bad time to be stupid. It is a bad time to invade someone's home, particularly someone of modest means who happens to be armed with an aluminum bat, large caliber handgun or even a very nice Spyderco.

It is a bad time to do so because people are fed up. They are fed up with society's predators. They are fed up with "diversion programs" and "22 years on death row" and Mumia Abu-Jamal (see this excellent monograph about Jamal on Accuracy In Academia). They are fed up with watching the takers continue to take and the givers continue to be taken. They are fed up with the Predators' Philosophy of "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine unless you're strong enough to stop me."

Worse yet, people are going to be a tad bit more irritable come November 5th, should Obama win the election. THE DEMOCRATS LIED AND THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES ECONOMY DIED plays into the hands of those of find that Life is difficult enough to live without having one's daughter date-raped, without having one's sacrosanct home burglarized, without having one's vehicle damaged or gas tank purged of fuel.



The NRA and other analysts say most laws allowing gun possession have existed for years and would not likely account for a recent spike in self-defense killings.

Instead, Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president and chief executive officer, says the 9/11 attacks and the widespread looting and violence after Hurricane Katrina spurred some people to take more responsibility for their own safety.

Immediately after those events, LaPierre says, the group's gun-safety trainers reported "big increases" in NRA-sponsored courses. "Americans are simply refusing to be victims," he says.


I completely concur. This trend will continue and rightly so. Juries and their potential nullifications may become a rule with regard to violent suspects, rather than an exception.

There is the slight smell of actual revolution fomenting in the air, my dearest readers. If there is one thing with which Shoprat and I manifestly agree, it is this.

BZ

24 Comments:

Blogger TexasFred said...

Sweet.. She has one of the new XD/M Springfields...

Nothing sexier than a nice looking woman and a big powerful gun in her hands...

Wed Oct 15, 08:02:00 PM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

My comment on this same topic at Traction Control blog:

2 of my favorite words, Justifiable Homicide, when a grand jury says that phrase, I get happy!

My Son has learned a lot more useful phrases and terminologies in his 2 years on the street too…

Ya ever heard of a charge called P.O.T.P.?? It’s a much used charge in all fact and actuality…

Pissing Off The Police.. Gets ya a night at the cross bar with your buddies every time…

http://tractioncontrol.well-regulatedmilitia.org/?p=1830


And POTP has been known to lead to a Justifiable Homicide too...

Wed Oct 15, 08:09:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

TF: kinda THOUGHT you'd like that!

BZ

Wed Oct 15, 08:10:00 PM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

Oh hell yeah... I love it, the story AND the pic..

BZ, you have got to try one of the XD's, I would suggest a .40 or .45, a Tactical model if at all possible... This is the sweetest shooting, easiest cleaning and most reliable handgun I have had in my over 31 years of carrying one as a part of my daily wardrobe!!

It disassembles in less than 10 seconds, it's sweet man, really sweet, and here's a point to ponder, I have 2 .357's, an S&W 686 and an S&W Model 28, as you know, both are 6 shooters, my XD-45 Tactical, loaded with 14 rounds of 230gr ammo is the same weight as the 357's loaded with 6 rounds...

I swear, if you ever shoot one, you WILL want one, I haven't met a serious handgunner yet that didn't and most, once they get one, end up with at least 1 or 2 more...

That little XD-9 Sub Compact is the most awesome backup I ever saw, it'll make you throw rocks at a Chiefs Special...

Wed Oct 15, 08:20:00 PM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

Wed Oct 15, 08:22:00 PM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

PS, the 185gr Golden Sabers come out of the XD-45 at 1,100 FPS, roll over to about .750 on impact... That's only about 250 FPS slower than a .357...

Good God Gerty... You can reach THROUGH that hole... LMAO...

Deletion was MINE, I typo'd the stats on the 185gr Golden Saber

Wed Oct 15, 08:25:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Z said...

my husband's talking about getting a gun. I never thought I'd see the day.

Here in LA, we're invited to an election night 'party'...I was asking who's bringing the Valium (!) and did we really not want to be home if riots start if by some REAL FLOOK, McCain wins? I was laughingly guaranteed an unmarked armored vehicle home.

WHAT is happening to OUR AMERICA, folks!!?

Wed Oct 15, 10:02:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Average American said...

BV, I live in a small town in northern N.H. We had our first ever drive-by shooting a few months ago. Fourteen bullet holes found in a house the other side of town. No one was hit! I am no longer the only gun owner on my street. I'm kind of partial to my 12 guage. They won't get far, the deer don't!

Wed Oct 15, 11:35:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Average American said...

should have been gauge

Wed Oct 15, 11:36:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Z: if McCain wins, there have already been public individuals, such as James Carville, who have pointed to national riots. And in LA, here's the very QUIET little secret: during the 1991 King riots there were NO - as in ZERO - Korean and other store owners who were prosecuted and found guilty for shooting at rioters whilst defending their businesses.

This is just ONE aspect of the "Americans are on the verge of simply not taking it any more" issue of which I've been writing recently.

BZ

Thu Oct 16, 05:38:00 AM PDT  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

I have a few competing forces shifting my firearms purchases, beyond wherewithal. I am a purpose buyer, and I spelled out the overview of purpose and now address function.

Home defense (suburbia, not rural), new home (semi-rural, non-dense suburbia), large carnivore (mountain lions and bears no longer show respect), and my personal proclivities towards SF (this is the future, a weapon should look like it and still function well). I have the target part done. Those parts are next with the home defense, current, now showing up in big, red, nasty letters.

I don't like having the daughter of an international arms dealer now in the US sending me a message, nor having a multi-billionaire with ties to the Red Mafia threatening me with a law suit from overseas (yes he has done this to a largish number of people, but he has got lotsa cash to buy things beyond courts). Nope, not good.

Safely eliminating two-legged predators in my given circumstances a must. Then the four legged.

I can read the handwriting on the wall, and I will not ignore it.

I do not seek fights but civilized discourse via society. That is disappearing and others now want to bring fights on multiple fronts. Given one, I will end it.

I have my purchasing priorities now am down to final decisions. Luckily the market provides in each of them...

There is no greater justification than protecting yourself, your family and your worldly posessions. And the far too civilized who welcome the Law of Nature do not know what they are asking for: I do, I have seen what has happened before to those who get so civilized and it isn't pretty.

Thu Oct 16, 05:46:00 AM PDT  
Blogger shoprat said...

But the Obamanation needs us to be victims so that we can depend on him so he can victimize us even more.

Thu Oct 16, 06:06:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous WMD_Maker said...

Very well written and as far as I can tell, correct. People are fed up with courts taking forever to put the guy away, parole boards let them out after serving 25% of the sentence, and the parole system leaving them on the street after committing another crime while on parole. Its it becoming far more economical and I almost hate to say satisfying to just cap the bastard as he puts his foot thru my door.
As a side note to TF, I too have a S&W 686 I actually kind of like the revolver action better. Also a Glock compact .45, an HK .40, HK 91 .308. I need to get a shotgun and I want a Remington 700 (Paying attention Santa?).

Thu Oct 16, 07:20:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Gayle said...

I agree with you and Shoprat. Americans are definitely getting fed up and I am one of them. I don't need to go out and buy guns though. I already have them. I often walk my property with a rifle, just so people passing by on the road know that we are armed. There are far too many predators out there!

Obama is one of them.

Thu Oct 16, 07:25:00 AM PDT  
Blogger cary said...

I agree with everything said here - except the part about listing your armory.

Never let 'em know how well armed you are, or how well trained your dogs are.

Thu Oct 16, 11:41:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Average American said...

Cary is right! As are the rest of you. Want a glimpse of our future is the leftards get their way? Visit MK in Australia and read several articles about the citizens not being allowed to protect themselves. It is disgusting how liberal it is down there, and many other countries, mostly friends of ours.

Thu Oct 16, 11:59:00 AM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

And a perfect exclamation point for this story: Police: Lakewood homeowner fatally shoots intruder

Home owners and hard working, honest Americans are tired of the bullshit, and if we have to take em out one at a time, so be it..

Thu Oct 16, 12:22:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

AA: do you have any links for MK and the articles, perchance? I'd enjoy reading them.

BZ

Thu Oct 16, 12:36:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Liz [layla] said...

Justifiable Homicide. I almost had to do that once to save my life, but my ex-husband got smart and backed off. At the time I had a butcher knife in my hand I grabbed out of the kitchen sink in defense as he threated to hit me in the head with a two by four.

I like that - Justifiable Homicide. Yeah babe! Don't let anyone kill you first!

Thu Oct 16, 01:23:00 PM PDT  
Blogger cary said...

He came after you with a 2x4? darlin', that's grounds for "Justifiable Hunting Him Down And Killing Him First" and the "He needed killin'" defense...

Thu Oct 16, 01:27:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Liz: Cary nailed it!

BZ

Thu Oct 16, 01:40:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Average American said...

BV, here's the link to MK's blog.

http://mksviews.wordpress.com/

When you get there, look for the archive section and check out the posts for
August 4-11-12-15-27
September 5-10-13
October 10-15
You'll be amazed at how liberal Australia and a lot of our other friends are these days. I can't imagine living somewhere that you can not own any guns. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!

Fri Oct 17, 01:52:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous kaveman said...

First time here at this site, will try and come back but no promises, hard enough to keep up with others.

I just wanted to share something about armed citizens that a cop may find interesting. The town I live in (10 years now) has no police department, no fire department, no medical facilities and no starbucks.

I can safely say that our town has far more guns than residents. We have had ZERO homicides, justified or felonious, in the 10 years I've lived here. We do have a few meth heads that will break into your detached garage or tool shed but they simply won't risk going into the main structures.

As far as your question about so many weapon choices muddying up the waters, I remember a famous quote.

"The only reason to carry a pistol is so that you can fight your way back to the rifle that you shouldn't have put down in the first place."

Fri Oct 17, 02:05:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Kaveman: hey, welcome aboard and thank you most kindly for taking the time to comment! You are obviously welcome back any time at all, indeed! And aren't small towns nice, eh?

BZ

Sat Oct 18, 04:37:00 PM PDT  

Post a Comment

Subscribe to Post Comments [Atom]

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home