Bloviating Zeppelin

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Wednesday, May 04, 2011

The New Media Question: Why Was OBL Killed Instead Of Captured?

[Above: OBL house in Pakistani suburb outside Islamabad. Just another house? Note the massive, high walls, barbed wire, elevated central monitoring structure. This raised no questions whatsoever?]

Details are coming fast and furious following the killing of Osama bin Laden by a unit of US Navy SEALs.

More and more, the question that seems to be on the tips of media and Middle East pens is: why wasn't OBL captured instead of killed outright?

New CIA Director Leon Panetta said:

The authorities we have on Bin Laden are to kill him. And that was made clear. But it was also, as part of their rules of engagement, if he suddenly put up his hands and offered to be captured, then-- they would have the opportunity, obviously, to capture him. But that opportunity never developed."

Please click on the above link and watch the RCP video.

New information indicates that OBL did not have a gun; that he did not use a wife as a shield. Therefore, was this not nothing more than a naked assassination?

The White House itself said that OBL resisted, and "resistance does not require a firearm."

Question:

Should OBL have been captured rather than killed and -- later -- subjected to intrinsic and pointed interrogation techniques? Some are saying that there is an inherent satisfaction that could have been achieved by an arrest, trial and public display.

Further, however, is this not an abrogation of EO 12333 and Ford's EO 11905?

I know my answer; what is yours?

In finality, OBL should have been wrapped in bacon and kicked off the fantail by the lowliest rating aboard ship, with as much pomp and circumstance as is reserved for medical waste.

As indicated below. Thanks to TF for the photo.

BZ

11 Comments:

Unknown said...: I wanted him dead. Period. I honestly could care less how it was done.; Tue May 03, 07:41:00 PM PDT
Bloviating Zeppelin said...: I'm with you, Jenn.

Wrap him in a few chains, confirm his DNA, take some blood, scrape some MORE DNA, then kick him off the fantail of ANY ship MINUS ANYTHING that would have extolled his life.

Our Navy, clearly, lacked the BALLS to go there.

Chains. Body. Sea. SINK.

What more is there??

BZ; Tue May 03, 07:46:00 PM PDT
CJ said...: BZ -

I'm fine with him having assumed room temperature.

Now, I wish they'd release at least one photo to shut people up. I have no desire to see it but they need to get it out there.

cjh; Tue May 03, 11:07:00 PM PDT
Scotty said...: I’m amused as I watch all this going down. All of a sudden we have x-seals coming out of the woodwork getting interviewed and offering opinions. I wonder how many will turn out to be fakers as many have in the past….the MSM swallowing anything without back ground checking.

As a Vietnam vet we’ve had an ongoing battle dealing with wannabees. So, I certainly don’t trust a lot of what these “experts” are saying.

Are far as capturing him alive goes……even if that was the plan, many things happen in the heat of battle. Coming out of the wrong doorway at the wrong time could have gotten him killed. When one has only milliseconds to react to a movement, a gesture or even a head nod can people are going to die that maybe shouldn’t have.

War and the battles or actions within that war are nothing like we see in the movies. And, it ain’t no video game. I find all the armchair quarterbacking that is happening already by the clueless to be entertaining.

Despite ALL the training in the world, there’s still, always the unexpected.

I think that if we had captured him instead of killing him, it would had caused more reactions from the Muslim zealots than we are seeing now or are going to see. I can see one scenario of hostage taking and bartering those hostages for OBL’s release.

Also, look at all the lawyer fees were going to save by not having to put OBL on trial!!; Wed May 04, 08:13:00 AM PDT
mrchuck said...: This was a kill on sight mission.
Period.
The house was designed with false passageways, False doors and passageways and hallways.
TIME and NOISE is your enemy and if not managed correctly, you will fail and take casualties.
Sometimes we let in first, trained war dogs, who attack anyone holding a weapon.
Getting up to the THIRD FLOOR of this purposely designed survival home, was really noisy and time consuming.
I commend our SEALS for this 100% take-down assault.
DAMN GOOD!; Wed May 04, 08:55:00 AM PDT
mrchuck said...: Oh, one other comment, remember the steel bridge structure where the Muslims hung up the body parts of some of our own US soldiers and combatants. Burned body parts of American soldiers, smoldering above the Arabs as the cheered and chanted.
Well, I would of personally ordered that OBL's corpse be taken to that same exact bridge, and hung his body parts up, torched them to smolder, and had pictures taken, and also let it be known this is what will happen to any and all Al-Qieda soldiers-supporters.
It is time for another "holy war".
And that is what it will take to stop these Muslims.; Wed May 04, 09:07:00 AM PDT
cary said...: Point of fact: Only those who were in the final room, at the final moment, know what happened and how it happened. Let's interview them, DSM. Not somebody who wasn't there.

If you were not in that final room, at that final moment, then with all due respect, shut up. Your opinion, your view, NOTHING matters - because you were not the one putting YOUR life on the line in order to carry out a set of orders.

Scotty and mrchuck are absolutely correct. In the heat, things happen. When things happen, people die. It is the job of our military to make sure that it is the other guy who gets the honor of dying for THEIR country/belief system.

And, BZ? That much bacon seems like a waste - can't we just use the drippings to anoint the body, and eat the bacon on a nice BLT or cheeseburger?; Wed May 04, 09:33:00 AM PDT
Bushwack said...: A couple of theories....

1. Osama was not killed in the raid, he was captured alive and is now being interrogated. They put out the "Death" rumor to keep the muzzies from using it as a rallying cry. (Not a bad idea if true and would explain why no photos it would also allow Obama to claim he was acting in our best interest)

2. He was dead long ago, his body was in that compound and kept there as to not be a martyr. Obama needed a political bump and risked our SEALS lives to get it.(Not likely)

3. He was in that compound, we have known about it for many years but didn't want to make him a martyr. He was allowed to stay there under watch with a wink and nod. That's why there were no guards, no watch and he was unarmed. He was safe because he felt he had a deal. Deal was broken because Obama needed something good for the American people and they killed him for it. (Plausible)

4. It went down EXACTLY as Obama's crew says. (NO FU*KIN WAY)

No matter what he's out of commission. whether that means in jail or dead. Either way, he's gone from the battlefield.; Wed May 04, 05:44:00 PM PDT
Mark said...: It has long annoyed me that we don't use these clowns religion against them, how many lives of our great military could have been saved if we made use of the knowledge that these bozo's think if they die in the presence of a pig they will not be accepted in heaven? we should have fed the bastard to some hungry hogs and videotaped the event! threatened to drop exploding pigs on Mecca and all would be quiet from that quarter. no more random violence from Muslims.; Wed May 04, 05:47:00 PM PDT
Spokes said...: Wrapped in bacon with his left hand stuffed into his mouth...; Wed May 04, 06:26:00 PM PDT
Bloviating Zeppelin said...: cj: damn. Now it looks like they will NOT release the photo. I say this: the photo belongs to the country, not to the government. WE PAID to enable that to occur. We OWN that photo release. And we DON'T need to be lectured or wheedled-on by our governmental sycophants.

Scotty: you know, you make an EXcellent point. The military "fakirs" are out there just waiting to get their gesicht on TV. REAL military SEALs are quiet, humble, and avoid the limelight. With the exception of Ventura. And he was NOT actually a SEAL but a member of the UDT.

Mr Chuck: yes indeed. That was Fallujah.

Cary: now, yes indeed, that is a time and waste-saving measure!

Robert: and isn't it sad that we simply can't take what our government says at face value? We have to second and third guess what we THINK may have occurred.

Mark: you have KNOCKED IT OUTTA THE BALLPARK with that. The internet old saw about General Pershing? There is some TRUTH to the abhorrence of that by Islam!

Spokes: nice to hear from you, sir! I wonder if people will understand the significance of the hand. . . . ?

BZ; Wed May 04, 07:41:00 PM PDT

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