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Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Why Conservatives Will Never Win:

Jim Knapp, a writer from The Sacramento Citizen, has written an article first appearing in The Sacramento Insider, entitled "Why Conservatives Will Never Win."

In this article he writes, in part:

Conservatives will never win because they can't organize, it's that simple. While they claim to be the "silent majority," they are silent for a good reason; they are unable to speak with a unified voice, or for a common cause. They ramble on about taxes, big government and social programs, yet nothing will change because they simply can’t organize, and much of their leadership cannot be honest with the public.

Take the Tea Party "movement," it evolved (only via heavy marketing by FOX news, despite vehement denials) in response to the largest political shift in American history, so they had their protests, FOX news doubled their ratings, then,

Republicans surely can’t help conservatives; The national & state GOP have divined that the Party needs to shift further to the Left to compete with Democrats. The California GOP recently provided the necessary votes for the largest tax increase in the state’s history. Our “Republican” Governor has outspent his predecessor, the disgraced & recalled tax-and-spend-liberal Gray Davis, by some 45%!

The GOP appears to be imploding, citizens are leaving the party in droves, even former GOP campaign superstar Joe the Plumber. Nationwide, less than 24% are now registered as Republicans. For the first time in history, those registered as Independents outnumber those registered as Republican or Democrat. Independents, America’s largest registered group, have no party representation, and besides the disorganized TP’ers, there is no third party remotely on the horizon. So where does that leave the average conservative? Out in the cold, without a political party, our wallets being fleeced, our childrens futures being threatened, all while being force fed government cheese.

Mr Knapp wraps up:

For full disclosure, I am a conservative, and not a Bush/Clinton era neo-conservative, but an old-school-America-first-anti-illegal-immigration-gun-toting-tractor-drivingflag-waving-Pat-Buchannan-loving-paleo-conservative. This leaves me and tens of millions like me, without any political representation and very frustrated. I believe that we ARE in fact the silent majority; I believe that we could take back our country from the grasp of socialism and I believe that the movement could easily evolve into a third party movement...there has been no better time in our history for a third party; if only we could get a few of the so called "conservative" organizers out of our way.

Once written, a very large Fornicalia "conservative organizer" named Mark Meckler (who organized the Sacramento, Fornicalia TEA Party) responded in the comment section of the listed article, again in part:

Perhaps in your world view, where the only thing that matters is the formation of a third party, what we have done is "" In my world, having activists for fiscally responsible government involved constantly and at all levels of government, holding officials' feet the fire, represents a turning point in recent American politics. I'm proud to be involved in that, and proud of all the real folks on the ground around the nation who are volunteering their time and efforts, and making it happen. You can criticize them if you like, but what are you doing to change things other than complaining about those who are actually doing the hard work on the ground?

The tea party movement itself has existed for all of two and a half months. I'm sorry you expect more out of those of us who are trying to grow this nascent movement into a permanent national force. We're honest, hard working volunteers doing the best we can. Perhaps you could assist us in doing the things you claim we are failing to do, instead choosing to lie, whine and write about things of which you clearly know so little. And perhaps, if you think a third political party is the appropriate route to take at this time, you can get up from behind your computer, put your boots on the ground and get organizing. If you can do it honestly, without the types of intentional libel, incorrect assumptions and innuendo that make up the majority of your writing in this article, I for one will support you in doing so. I think any attempt to rattle the current power structure is worth doing, and rather than attack you for doing something, I'd support you in your honest efforts. Me...I'm not a politician, have no desire to be a politician, and don't like political parties. I understand they are necessary in our system, but I don't personally want to form or be part of one. You seem to want to form one. So I think you should.

People have written most recently about the possible formation of a Third Party. This primarily because the Republican Party seems to be purposely stepping away from a Conservative philosophy and wants to acquire, quote, "more persons under the tent."

I submit the following to be Truths with regard to Conservatism:

  1. Conservatives are up in arms because President Bush abandoned the very First Tenet: fiscal Conservatism and smaller government;
  2. More of "everyone" in the Republican Tent and you have no more GOP; you have the Demorats;
  3. If the Republican Party were to once again truly embrace Conservatism and not abandon its voter base and core philosophies, it would find itself again flooded with cash and votes.
This current iteration of the Republican Party still doesn't seem to "get it" -- which is why its foundation of Conservatives are fragmented and leaving the party, disaffected, cast aside, ignored.

It's not simply an axiom but a truism when I and others write: "I didn't leave the GOP; the GOP left me."


Can the GOP be resurrected?



Blogger Rustmeister said...

Screw 'em. Join the New Whig party.

Wed May 13, 08:29:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

With the potential longevity of the Whigs.


Wed May 13, 08:37:00 AM PDT  
Blogger shoprat said...

I believe that unless THE ONE screws with system (which unfortunately he probably will) the Democrats and the GOP will switch political power within a few years, if not months. Obama will soon be the most hated man in America. The GOP will come back but the question is what kind of party will it be?

Wed May 13, 08:54:00 AM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

Can the GOP be resurrected?? If in any form *other* than a totally Conservative, strict constitutionalist party?? I hope not.

Let the damned thing DIE, or merge with their brethren in the DNC, It's time for a fresh start, and as I said, Faint Heart Ne’er won Fair LadyI meant EVERY word of that post.

Wed May 13, 08:57:00 AM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

P.S. The depiction of the GOP elephant, de-tusked, is a bit disingenuous as a representative of Conservative America...

The RNC does NOT represent The American Conservative Party and/or it's members...

The GOP elephant represents the RINOs, and truth be told, they need to show it being emasculated AND de-tusked...

Wed May 13, 11:10:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

TF: any more it does, but that was the closest I could get to a cartoon I could recently remember. It'd certainly be valid if there were a third donk walking away labeled "RINOs."


Wed May 13, 11:18:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Gayle said...

So it seems most people here believe that the GOP can't straighten up and fly right. I hope that's wrong, but I have a feeling it's not. I just wish there were some way to get it back the way it was intended to be.

Wed May 13, 11:51:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Carlisleboy said...

I understand the aguments against the GOP, and mad as I am, I still can not give up on the Party of Reagan and Lincoln. Maybe it was because I grew up with Reagan in charge and thinking of him as a kindly grandfather. This is a Dark hour we find ourselves in, but it is not the end.
Especially as I agree with shoprat that The lord high Obamanation will soon be hated. America, and the Media do so love to tear down meda created "Heroes"

Wed May 13, 12:47:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Maggie Thornton said...

We can resurrect the GOP by voting out the traitor Senate and House members - most of whom have been there for a life time. Excuse me when I say, their experience means absolutely nothing...or it means that they have a learning disability and desperately need hearing aids.

I notice in Florida that Charlie Crist will face a very conservative, small government republican, Marco Rubio. Now I don't know a lot about Rubio, except what I read, but already, we know the Republican establishment plans to back Charlie Crist - that miserable S.O.B. who embraced Obama's stimulus with open arms.

With current Congressional members, we cannot resurrect the GOP. I don't care about the party name. I want a conservative candidate and I want conservative leaders to support that candidate, and defend that candidate as though the existance of the country depends on it, because it does.

Wed May 13, 01:25:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Thomas Lawrence said...

You nailed it: Bush I and II both pulled the rug out from under small government conservatism. As I've always said...when Democrats "reach across the isle", let them draw back a bloody stump. Republican/conservative "lite" is a losing strategy.

Wed May 13, 02:01:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Ron Russell said...

I recall hearing the same thing about the Democratric party just a few years ago. It always amazes me when such things are said. Obviously, most people have little knowledge of history and how politics ebb and flow. True the Republican party is down now, but things will change and one day the Demos will be in the same position again. Like many I think the Republicans abandon many of their principals and are paying a high price now for that mistake. But as for the party to be down for the count I doubt it. Only a few times in history has a third party been replaced by a third party. If one should come along and is popular then one on the two major parties will adopt the positions of the third and thereby end its need to exist. This is normally what occurs.

Wed May 13, 04:21:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Rivka said...

o.k. this really tees me off. this is why the GOP won't win!!!! The GOP 'strategists' want Cheney to shut up. THey are afraid he will be seen as the party spokesman.. WELL, where have they been?? Why haven't they STOOD UP and fought back against accusations from the left? Why haven't they stood up for interrogations and that we should have waterboarded???? NO.. They have to be like McCain and the rest of the rino's in our party!! Sorry, but that guy who wrote the article you posted is right. I have had it with them.

Wed May 13, 04:35:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Rivka said...

If this is the majority in our party now, I am done with them. I thought they were the minority, but it seems like the big dogs in our party are the moderates now.

Wed May 13, 04:35:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous WMD_Maker said...

I have no problem with "moderate" republicans. But people like Specter, McCain and Swarttzenenger are not moderate republicans they are just Dems wearing a red tie. The republican needs to be the Republican party not the Dem party wearing red ties.

Wed May 13, 05:00:00 PM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

Yeah, the RNC/GOP can be straightened out, with a crowbar upside the head...

The very idea that the GOP can be saved is actually funny, c'mon Gayle, break the suction, you know you can..

Or, maybe you can't...

Wed May 13, 07:27:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

"Break the suction. . ."



But: next post.


Wed May 13, 07:29:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Jim Knapp said...

Hey, thanks for the post BZ. I believe strongly that America needs a new party to represent average middle class working stiffs. Neither party represents the values of middle America. We need a party that puts America first in every political decision. This is most important when it comes to illegal immigration, trade and foreign aid.

But neither party will do this.

Like neither party protected middle America against the corruption that caused the banking and housing crisis. The Dem's supplied the tube of KY jelly while the Republicans applied it and lubed us up.

We need drastic change, meaning a new conservative party, otherwise it may soon be time to lock and load.

Wed May 13, 08:56:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Gayle said...

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Thu May 14, 06:00:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Gayle said...

"The very idea that the GOP can be saved is actually funny, c'mon Gayle, break the suction, you know you can..
Or, maybe you can't...

If I thought it would do any good to turn my back on the GOP I'd consider it. Many people did in 08 and it helped lose us the election. Third parties haven't ever worked before, so why would anyone think a third party would work now? One thing we could learn from Democrats is how to be loyal to our party and concentrate on cleaning it up rather than abandoning it.

Thu May 14, 06:07:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Craig DeLuz said...

It may be too late to put in my two cents. But I will do it anyway.

I became a Republican because I realized that the values of the GOP as outlined in the Party Platform were consistent with my own. And I do not intend to leave the Party until those values change; meaning the platform changes. I will fight to the death (death of the GOP that is) to keep this from happening.

It does not bother me that there are those in our party who do not believe in every aspect of our values. I don't see the platform as a litmus test. Rather, it is a measuring stick to which some will stack up better than others. But in the end, we should be able to convict anyone who claims to represent the GOP of being a Republican. You cannot be a fiscal liberal and a social liberal and still be a good Republican.

The Grand Ole Party still represent the best chance we conservatives have to actually govern again in this country. That is why our first step must be to take it back from the liberals and the "Anything to Win" wing of the party. Then we have to spend less time preaching to choir and start going after non-traditional Republican voters, based on our shared values.

Thu May 14, 06:08:00 AM PDT  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Ronald Reagan came to office promising less government, less interference in people's lives and that the burden of government would be removed from areas where it didn't belong.

He didn't deliver.

The GOP didn't deliver.

The Contract with America didn't deliver.

There is a problem here: non-delivery on promises that won elections for Republicans.

So many people have been turned off by the two parties that they no longer vote. That is now 49% of the adult population eligible to vote. Mr. Hope'n'change has delivered on nothing he promised and everything those looking at his career were horrified of. It seems this 'winning elections' business is to get more power for government no matter which party you vote for.

Republicans could have offered a choice.

Republicans could have exercised adhering to their party platform by tossing those out who didn't do that.

I will vote for Traditionalist Conservatives: those that keep to the ideals of federalism, non-interference in the States and the people, and who recognize that the essential things given to government to do are its ONLY task. Defend the Nation, uphold its laws equally, ensure no favoritism in the laws is promulgated, and leave anything that is not given to the federal government up to the States and the people just like it says in the damned Constitution.

The Nation was prepared for Reagan to be Chansaw Al Dunlap, and start cutting the federal forest down.

Instead the fertilizer truck pulled up, instead.

There is a problem between what is SAID and what is DONE. That leads one to conclude that you do not MEAN what you SAY.

I do not trust people who do that and I do not trust any political party that does that: it is the exact, same measuring stick applied to both. It is one of integrity and honor. It is very, very simple to do...

Do as you Say.
Say what you Mean.
Mean what you Do.

Honor your Word.

Or don't say it.

Thu May 14, 04:50:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

AJ: PRECISELY! And THERE is the DISCONNECT and that is to what Conservatives OBJECT! If you SAY it, if you EMBRACE it, then DO it!


Thu May 14, 06:06:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Law and Order Teacher said...

Good post. I am to the point that I don't recognize the Repubs. They are no longer the party of Reagan. Spending sent me over the edge and I am apoplectic over BO's spending. Where does a true conservative go now?

Fri May 15, 04:44:00 PM PDT  

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