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Bloviating Zeppelin: Since When Do Illegal Immigrants Run Our Country?

Bloviating Zeppelin

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Friday, March 24, 2006

Since When Do Illegal Immigrants Run Our Country?

Title 8 - Aliens and Nationality

3) The term "alien'' means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.


So there were protests in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Atlanta?

Congress is considering bills that would make it a felony to be illegally in the United States, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border. The proposals have angered many Hispanics.

Who cares? you might ask.

Both parties care, in their most base:

Democrats care because illegals represent a further voting base;
Republicans care because illegals represent a workforce "snuck under the carpet;"

Both sides, on this issue, framed in this context, are wrong.

Illegal is illegal no matter how you frame it, reduce it, minimize it, shunt it aside, ignore it, emasculate it, put whipped cream on top, or attempt to recraft definitions.

The English language is what it is.

Illegal \Il*le"gal\, a. [Pref. il- not + legal: cf. F. ill['e]gal.]Not according to, or authorized by, law; specif., contrary to, or in violation of, human law; unlawful; illicit; hence, immoral; as, an illegal act; illegal trade; illegal love. --Bp. Burnet.

Until you look behind the obvious for the agendas. Are there agendas involved? Of course, you silly person!

La Raza: On its website, a group called "La Voz de Aztlán," the Voice of Aztlán, identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza," the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of Los Angeles, Alta California, declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."

But the threat of secession is not merely from groups that might be considered on the fringe, Spencer insists, noting the declarations of Mexican leaders, up to the highest office. Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo said in a 1997 speech in Chicago to the "National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, that he "proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important – a very important – part of this."

Zedillo said that because of this fact his government proposed a constitutional amendment that allows Mexican citizens to hold dual citizenship. Spencer believes that the objective is to enable Mexicans in the United States to vote in the interest of Mexico.

Ultimately, many Mexicans hope for a "reconquista," a reconquest of territory lost when Mexico signed the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo at the end of the Mexican-American War. "One could argue that while Mexico lost the war in 1848, it will probably win it in the 21st century, in terms of the numbers," Navarro told WorldNetDaily. "But that is not a reality based on what Mexico does, it's based on what this country does."

Spencer argues that misguided U.S. policies and lax enforcement have allowed a steady stream of 1 million illegal immigrants a year to enter the country. Demographers agree that instead of integrating into a "melting pot," new Hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, are building a distinct, politically active community.

The problem is not that they have a voice, Spencer says, but that they increasingly are acting according to the interests of Mexico.

For those willing to see what is plain, it becomes plain that Mexico plans to retake a good portion of the United States "lost" in wars and history;

Of course, that would be judgmental and non-politically-correct, wouldn't it?

Gosh; nothing more than white male paranoia.





Blogger bigwhitehat said...

Why do we have a problem with illegal immigration?

If there is something broken in our immigration system, we should fix it.

If there is some other reason for these folks to ignore our laws and our procedures, what is it? Is it something we can help? Is it the intruder's lack of character?

My point is: I am tired of the excuses. We can secure our borders. We should secure our borders. If we really need to have this many people coming into our country each day, then we need to accommodate that need with a better system.

I am also tired of all the wining about how to fix the problem. We as a nation spend too much time bitching and too little time acting.

Assimilation is a different issue and it only serves to distract from the topic.

Fri Mar 24, 08:13:00 PM PST  
Blogger echotig said...

Let's vote, people!!

Fri Mar 24, 08:28:00 PM PST  
Blogger Fish said...

It's an invasion, not by armed forces but an invasion none the less. It their intent is non-assimilation and to retake the territories they lost (and we paid them for by the way), that is a hostile invasion.

Wonder what would happen if the federal government called on the militia to repell this invasion with whatever means necessary. I'd be willing to bet enough Americans would show up at the border with their own arms to shut it off within a couple of weeks.

Fri Mar 24, 08:41:00 PM PST  
Blogger TexasFred said...

1st, you have to have a LEADER that's WILLING to do something about the illegal invasion and it's causes, THEN we deal with the effects..

But you have to have a leader willing to that too, and a leader that PANDERS to the illegals is NOT going to get it done...

Just saying...

Fri Mar 24, 09:47:00 PM PST  
Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

03 24 06

I don't know if a wall will deflect the illegals, as the Great Wall certainly got scaled in time. But aggressive action MUST be taken and I am tired of these people constantly flip flopping on the issue. I see no reason why Hillary made that assinine comment invoking scriptures and illegals; that makes no sense at all! What does make sense is that we need to have a society where laws are respected and we live harmoniously with our neighbors. Having a soft border policy with no assimilation incentives does very little to integrate the population and fosters major distrust. And here we are. Good post Blo Zep.

BTW it always bothers me when those Atzlan people claim that the Western US still belongs to Mexico. I mean, the Spaniards took the land from the Native Americans and created Mexico. We won fair and square and I for one, refuse to give up the home I have worked so hard for, I suspect even the Aztzlan people who own homes feel the same way.

Sat Mar 25, 02:16:00 AM PST  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Solution is simple: double wall. Outer is barbed wire fence with warnings that it is deadly and lethal to cross a border illegally. If you want to apply for some sort of sanctuary, visit an Embassy, that is why we *have* the damn things!

Second wall, steel re-inforced concrete, pilings 80' down spaced 3-5' apart on flat land. Razor wire at the top. Put sensors looking down and across the no-man's land. In large letters paint on it in a few languages 'YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED'.

Let the UCAV folks in the military have firing exercises into the that zone. Use lethal or non-lethal means depending on how We feel as a Nation. Freedom isn't free, but target practice is necessary for a Free Nation.

Rather this than a smuggled in chem/bio/nuclear device using narcotraffic tunnels.

Add geo-sensors for them. I hear folks in the southern states are *real* good at drilling holes... you never know *what* will be poured down them.

I have had it with Mexican troops coming over the border at will. Ditto their police. Ditto their criminal gangs. Ditto their narco-traffickers. If they would properly police it, this would not be a problem. They will not, so We must.

Unless Mexico is *really* looking for a War. Casus Belli abound in this, all from their side. Just take an average month with an incursion a week and that would be that. Give fair warning and no tolerance for *any* crossing save via legal means at controlled checkpoints.

As for those already here... find them, sentence them to a couple of years of wall building before sending them home. Get this job done with *very* cheap labor.

Sat Mar 25, 06:35:00 AM PST  
Blogger Fish said...

A Jacksonian does have a brilliant suggestion there. Sentence the illegals already here to build the walls. Cheap labor indeed.

Sat Mar 25, 07:32:00 AM PST  
Blogger TexasFred said...

The Great Wall v2006:USA WILL stop illegals, especially if ya have Twin .50cals mounted every 100 yards or so... And a Foo-Gas trench with some claymores wouldn't hurt either...

What part of ILLEGAL is this nation missing??

Sat Mar 25, 09:42:00 AM PST  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Folks: all the problems and issues you have addressed are correct. I am not against a wall. I am against a wall improperly enforced and supported.

What is the answer? Can we do it?

We have the cash, time, personnel and will to solve the problems, if we merely determine to do so.

TF had it right: it starts at the Very Top. And I am NOT convinced that Bush will do it. In fact, I am otherwise convinced; that he will waver, flopple, and wait for someone else or some other entity to take the Hit, good or bad. The problem is precisely as I've written: both parties in their greed don't want the issue solved for different reasons.

This is why, sooner or later, we are doomed to a dirty bomb, mushroom cloud, or other CBN breakout event to occur on our soil.

Let me be clear: this attitude has already signed the Death Warrant for another 3,000+ of our fellow Americans.

As an aside: know who's most pissed off about illegals? Mexicans who are here, legally, on our soil, who chose rightly and properly to abide by all the channels.

Finally: I would recommend that all who are reading this go to the post just prior to this one, and read comment Number Two. Most eye-opening.


Sat Mar 25, 10:06:00 AM PST  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Mr. Z - It is true, the most PO'd by illegals are those who follow the laws and come here legally. Thinking that allowing illegals wins the hearts and minds of their legal brothers and sisters does not work for either party.

As to political will: 'Aye, there's the rub me lad!' What President Bush must come to realize is that his party is crumbling before his eyes: 1) his hard won appeal to the black and hispanic community is based on HIM not his party, 2) his party fears being called 'callous','cold-hearted' and 'cruel' for actually wanting to enforce the law, and 3) by not pushing hard against 'Sanctuary Cities' he is making the Union crumble.

The first and second actually go together. If Mr. Bush announces that illegal migration across the border will end and that NORTHCOM is being given the immediate sentry duty until a permanent wall is put in place and that all incursions by Mexican Federal military and police will be treated as armed invasion, the entire country would gasp. He could then lay out week after week of incidents or have Rumsfeld or Gonzalez do that for him. Let the people know that Presidente Fox knows of these and does nothing to stop them: so we WILL. For doing this and getting his damn party to actually stand *for* something he will get a large segment of the LEGAL immigrant community, galvanize the Jacksonians who will heartily applaud and let the left know that *compassion* is ruining the Nation and putting it at peril.

Back that up with an ultimatum to all Cities, Municipalities and Principalities that refuse to uphold Federal law and are trafficking in human beings, consorting with agents of foreign nations, making their own foreign policy... that they have 1 week to withdraw such and be considered lawful. If this is not done, such areas will also be handed over to NORTHCOM for interdiction, all traffick with the Union will stop and they will face being invaded and given regular, representative governments that understand what it means to live in a Republic.

That last will absolutely freeze the left as it is tantamount to calling such cities 'slavery zones'. And that is exactly what such declarations *are*. And once black folks realize that in those terms, they will be less than pleased with the supporters of such.

Congress is put in the indelicate position of either having to support the cohesion of the Union or not. How unfortunate.

Is this intemperate of me? Why yes, yes it is.

But the left is basically supporting the fall of the Union and making zones of illegal servitude with threat of law against leaving into areas of slavery.

Figure the Jacksonians make up about 30% of the electorate... you know, those folks who don't vote since the Democrats abandoned them in the 70's? And the Republicans haven't been able to figure them out in any which way, save for Reagan. Add in 10% or so for the legal immigrant population and their immediate kin. Put in about 2/3 of the Republican party, as the RHINO's will bolt and you have a ruling majority of 60%.

The other 40%? Well, some of the worse are looking down the barrels of M1 Abrams tanks and doing so from unlit cities with no sewer or water. Those that want to come back can swear an Oath to the Republic and abide by the division of powers that We The People put out in 1787.

The rest can join the illegals in building a wall and then being shipped off to the country of their choice.

I am, well and truly, fed up with them.

Very, very intemperate of me.

Once that is sorted out, handling Transnational Terrorism will be easy, and I don't think that the US will be seen as a 'weak horse' by anyone.

There, that should have chilled anyone who read it right down to their toes! But do you see how the demographics show up in that line? Crosses all the traditional two-party boundaries and is pro-Republic *without* being either Conservative or Liberal.

This is a Republic, not a do-it-yourself anarchic state. The left has been eroding away at this since the 1970's with the strange idea of 'people's ambassadors' to the USSR and such like. Now we have cities making their own damn foreign policy *and* making a form of slavery possible that is *not* a due process punishment.

I do hope this was not too much cold water for anyone. But this Nation is in a pickle both overseas and at home. A Republic can survive this and thrive. What we have right now, will not.

A Zero party state will not survive. Or, more correctly, it will once a city is depopulated or disappears off the map. And then things get very nasty, very quickly.

"A Republic, madam, if you can KEEP it." - Ben Franklin to a woman wondering what sort of Government has been born.

NOW can we get a party that actually *supports* the Republic? As in 'Defend the Constitution, keep the Union whole and safe, and hunt and kill those who are the sworn enemies of the People' kind or party?

Sat Mar 25, 02:54:00 PM PST  
Blogger Lady Jane said...

Good Lord, is that picture from the US? That's the sort of thing one sees in the Middle East: wackos burning our flag (well, imitations of it). How dare they do so in OUR COUNTRY!

Sat Mar 25, 05:43:00 PM PST  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Lady Jane: first, thank you for visting and commenting on my blog! Welcome aboard!

Second, yes, that is Our Country. And there is more. I am about to make a post today further in the illegal immigration vein; I'll be logging it in about an hour. I would recommend you come back because you need to read what is happening in Fornicalia now -- and across the nation.

Please come back and visit.


Sat Mar 25, 06:07:00 PM PST  
Blogger someone else said...

Not that it should make a difference, but you do realize that millions of undocumented people haven't committed a criminal act, right? Overstaying a visa is an administrative violation, not a crime. But of course you didn't because you're too busy ignoring that these are human beings who are doing what human beings do (when they're living)--seeking out the best lives for themselves and the people they care about.

If you're up for redistributing U.S. wealth to developing countries so people won't have to migrate here, well, I am. Otherwise, good luck with that border wall; I'm sure it'll be real effective ;)

Sun Mar 26, 12:57:00 AM PST  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Someone Else:

Not that it should make a difference, but you do realize that millions of undocumented people haven't committed a criminal act, right? Overstaying a visa is an administrative violation, not a crime."

SE: Huh. I didn't realize we were merely handing out Visas at the Rio Grande! Imagine that! Silly me!

"But of course you didn't because you're too busy ignoring that these are human beings who are doing what human beings do (when they're living)--seeking out the best lives for themselves and the people they care about."

SE: No issue there. But this happens to be MY country, not THEIRS, and I REFUSE to be the World's Butt Boy and have my tax dollars spent on anyone who wishes to get their ankles damp.

"If you're up for redistributing U.S. wealth to developing countries so people won't have to migrate here, well, I am."

SE: Well, as a matter of fact, I'm precisely NOT up to the redistribution of wealth for the reasons enumerated above. My money happens to be, well, MINE.

"Otherwise, good luck with that border wall; I'm sure it'll be real effective ;) "

SE: I'm sure ready to give that a try.

By the by, SE, do you live in a commune? Why not? Do you drive a car? You insane polluter! Do you have a job? Why not simply give it all away? I have an idea. This will make you feel wonderful. Go to your downtown area and write a check for $1,500 to the first horizontal alcoholic you see. Don't you feel better now? See? I knew you would!


Sun Mar 26, 02:26:00 PM PST  
Blogger Bushwack said...

The real problem is Mexico, until that shit hole is fixed the infestation will continue, no matter the size of the wall or the guns on top of it.

Mon Mar 27, 10:46:00 AM PST  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...




Mon Mar 27, 09:33:00 PM PST  

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