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Bloviating Zeppelin: 69 More Businesses FLEE Fornicalia!

Bloviating Zeppelin

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

69 More Businesses FLEE Fornicalia!



From the Orange County Register:

So far this year, 69 companies have moved all or part of their California work and jobs to other states or countries, reports Irvine relocation consultant Joe Vranich. It's the fastest rate of departures since Vranich started tracking the exodus in 2009, he says. There have been an average of 4.7 moves per week from Jan. 1 through April 12, compared to 3.9 moves in all of 2010.

The numbers are low, Vranich says, estimating that only one in five out-of-state moves is made public.

I already drew the attention of my readers to this fact with my August 28th, 2010 post, in which I listed, in detailed extremis, the following business movements/reasons:

Abraxis Health, a unit of Los Angeles-based Abraxis BioScience Inc., opened a new plant that will create 200 jobs in 2010 — in Phoenix. This follows the company’s Phoenix expansions that occurred in 2007 and 2008.

Alza Corp. in 2007 eliminated about 600 jobs in drug R&D while also exiting its Mountain View, Calif., HQ. At the time the company said that its 1,200-person Vacaville facility will continue to operate. But the Vacaville Reporter on Oct. 23, 2009 revealed that the plant is being offered for sale by J&J, its parent company. It’s unclear if more layoffs are in the facility’s future.

American AVK, a producer of fire hydrants and other water-related products, moved from Fresno to Minden, Nevada.

American Racing moved its auto-wheel production to Mexico, ending most of its 47-year operation in California.

Apple Computer has expanded in other states, most recently with a $1 billion facility planned for North Carolina.

Audix Corporation relocated from Redwood City, Calif., and to accommodate growth moved to a 78,000-square-foot facility in Wilson, Oregon.

Apria Healthcare Group of Lake Forest is shifting jobs from California to Overland Park, Kansas, a K.C. suburb.

Assurant Inc. cut 325 jobs in Orange County and consolidated positions in Georgia, Ohio and South Carolina.

Barefoot Motors, a small “green” manufacturer, moved from Sonoma and will grow in Ashland, Oregon.

Bazz Houston Co. located in Garden Grove, has slowly been building a workforce of about 35 people in Tijuana. In early 2010 the company said it expects to move more jobs to Mexico, citing cost and regulatory difficulties in Southern California.

Beckman Coulter, a biomedical test equipment manufacturer headquartered in Brea, relocated part of its Palo Alto facilities to Indianapolis, Indiana, two years ago. In early 2010, it’s making a multimillion-dollar investment to expand and create up to 100 new jobs in Indiana. The company said the area offers a “favorable business environment and lower total cost of operations, plus a local work force with strong skills in both engineering and manufacturing.”

Bild Industries Inc., which specializes in business news, directories and market reports, moved to Post Falls, Idaho, from Van Nuys, a part of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.

Bill Miller Engineering, Ltd., suffering under the “hostile business climate” in California and Los Angeles County, moved from Harbor City to Carson City, Nevada.

BMC Select has conducted an unusual relocation. The company, which had shifted its headquarters from Idaho to San Francisco, relocated its H.Q. back to Boise in January 2010. The building materials distributor said that regaining its footing in Boise retained access to high-quality employees while reducing wage and occupancy costs.

BPI Labs, which formulates, manufactures, and fills personal care products for the health and beauty industry, relocated from Sacramento to Evanston, Wyoming, a move the company’s owner called “very successful . . . . It felt good and I've never looked back."

Buck Knives after 62 years in San Diego moved to Post Falls, Idaho.

CalPortland Cement has announced in late 2009 closure of its Riverside County plant because of new environmental regulations from a state law (AB 32). The company’s CEO wrote, “A cement plant cannot be picked up and moved, but the next new plant probably won't be built in California meaning more good, high paying manufacturing jobs will be lost to Nevada or China or somewhere.”

California Casualty Group left San Mateo for Colorado, cutting operating costs to remain competitive.

CalStar Products Inc., headquartered in Newark, Calif., in the San Francisco Bay Area, in January 2010 was awarded $2.44 million in federal clean energy tax credits. The company said in the future it expects to build additional plants in the Mississippi Valley and the East Coast. In late 2009 CalStar opened a plant in Caledonia, Wisconsin.

Checks To-Go moved to Utah where workers’ comp rates helped make the troubled company healthier.

Chivaroli & Associates, a healthcare-related insurance service based in Westlake Village, Calif., moved a regional office to Spokane, Washington.

CoreSite, A Carlyle Company, is delaying a Santa Clara project while it expands its data center in Reston, Virginia.

Creators Syndicate may flee L.A. because it operates like a "banana republic."

Creel Printing left Costa Mesa for Las Vegas and So Cal loses 60 more jobs.

Dassault Falcon looked at building an aircraft services facility in Riverside County but instead located in Reno.

DaVita Inc. moved its HQ from Los Angeles to Denver; expects to see millions of dollars in savings over time.

Denny's Corp., the large restaurant chain, once had its headquarters in La Mirada, later in Irvine, Calif, and then moved to Spartanburg, South Carolina. In fairness, I note the move occurred in the early 1990s. However it’s noteworthy because the company was founded in California and its growth over time created HQ jobs in another state.

Digital Domain, the Academy-Award-winning visual effects studio based in Venice, Calif., placed new studios in Vancouver, British Columbia, and Port St. Lucie, Florida, which combined will have about 500 employees. The facilities will allow the company to reduce costs while continuing to deliver cutting-edge work.

Ditech, headquartered in Costa Mesa, announced in January 2010 a 269-job cut and is moving most activities to the GMAC Financial Services (parent company) headquarters in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania. In 2007, Ditech relocated some workers from Costa Mesa to Phoenix. A once robust Costa Mesa facility employing hundreds will be down to 20 or 30 workers.

DuPont Fabros Technology suspended a $270 million Santa Clara data center project in favor of one in Ashburn, Virginia.

eBay, based in San Jose, will create 450 jobs in Draper, Utah, in a new $334 million operations, customer support and data center.

EDMO Distributors, Inc., a world-wide wholesaler of aircraft avionics, test equipment, and pilot supplies, moved its HQ from Valencia, Calif., to Spokane Valley, Wash. Since, it has built a larger headquarters in the city’s Mirabeau Point community complex.

Edwards Lifesciences
based in Irvine will expand with 1,000 employees – not in California but in Draper, Utah.

EMRISE Corp. completed its HQ move from Rancho Cucamonga to Eatontown, NJ, in May 2009. The company said the move “will result in additional annualized cost savings of approximately $1 million and facilitate improvements in operating efficiency. . . . The cost savings associated with relocating our corporate headquarters will start immediately. . . The aggregate total of these expense reductions will increase our profitability and cash flow in this and succeeding years and, over time, substantially improve our ability to further reduce our long term debt."

Facebook, based in Palo Alto, will expand in a major way in Oregon by locating a custom data center in Prineville. It will be a 147,000-square-foot facility costing $180 million and will employ 200 workers during construction and another 35 full-time once operating in 2011.

FallLine Corporation left Huntington Beach, where they were being “hammered” with multiple governmental regulatory fees, for Reno, Nevada.

Fidelity National Financial left Santa Barbara for Florida, spurred by California’s “oppressive” business environment.

First American Corp., based in Santa Ana, will open a call center in March 2010 not in California but in Phoenix, where it expects to employ about 400 people within two years.

Fluor Corp. moved its global headquarters from Aliso Viejo to Irving, Texas, with about 100 employees asked to relocate while the company planned to hire the same number there. In 2006, when Fluor moved into its new headquarters building, a company statement said: “The official dedication had a decidedly Texas theme” as a horseshoe was raised on the building, a time-honored Texas tradition.

Foxconn Electronics, a large contract electronics maker, moved some of its Fullerton operations to Dallas.

Fuel System Solutions moved its headquarters from Santa Ana to New York.

Gregg Industries, owned by Neenah Enterprises Inc. in Wisconsin, closed a 300-employee foundry in El Monte foundry under pressure from the South Coast Air Quality Management District to make $5 million in upgrades. The company didn't want to make the investment in the difficult economic climate so it decided instead to leave the state.

Helix Wind Inc. may move its research and development, engineering, and testing departments from San Diego to “more supportive” Oregon.

Hewlett-Packard, HQ’d in Palo Alto, at various times has moved jobs to Tennessee and Texas.

Hilton Hotels Corp. in 2009 is moving from its longtime corporate H.Q. in Beverly Hills to a new office in Tysons Corner, Virginia.

Hino Motor Manufacturing USA moved from California to Williamstown, West Virginia, in 2007, where it now employs about 100 workers. The company has growth plans to “Raise Hino's presence from medium-/heavy /heavy-duty trucks to all ranges of trucks” and an aggressive program to improve fuel economy and emissions. The company builds trucks under its own brand and also manufactures Toyota-branded vehicles.

Intel Corporation, headquartered in Santa Clara, has chosen to expand operations in neighboring states.

Intuit of Mountain View created a customer support office (110 people) not in California but in Colorado because of lower operating costs.Intuit placed a data center near Quincy, Washington.
Intuit also located Innovative Merchant Solutions LLC in Las Vegas as part of a $1.8 million investment in Nevada.

J.C. Penney closed its Sacramento call center and moved the work to five out-of-state centers. [I know of this personally; the massive call center was located at Fair Oaks & El Camino; it is now one massive empty building. - BZ]

Kimmie Candy Co., a manufacturer that was started in 1999, moved from Sacramento to Nevada in 2005. “I really don’t have a lot of regrets about moving up to Reno,” said owner Joe Dutra.

Klaussner Home Furnishings in closing its La Mirada manufacturing plant will maintain its NC and Iowa operations.

Knight Protective Industries moved to Oregon “where 4-day work weeks were permitted by the state” and wanted by the employees.

Kulicke & Soffa Industries Inc. announced in February 2010 that it is closing its Irvine plant, laying off 56 people, and will shift the work to Malaysia and Singapore. The facility had been owned by Orthodyne Electronics Corp., which Kulicke & Soffa bought in 2008.

LCF Enterprises, which makes specialized high-end amplifiers used by researchers, medical professionals and others, moved from Camarillo, Calif., to Post Falls, Idaho.

Lennox Hearth Products Inc. in Orange, Calif., will lay off 71 workers and by March 2010 will transfer the jobs to Nashville and Union City, Tennessee, “to reduce costs and increase operating efficiencies.”

Lyn-Tron, Inc., a supplier of electronic hardware, moved from Los Angeles to Spokane, Wash. Their website has a rather California(ish) statement: “Our commitment is to maintain a manufacturing environment that is progressive and safe, where our employees are able to achieve their personal objectives, thereby adding to their quality of life and to the community in which they live.”

Mariah Power, a “green” manufacturer of small wind turbines, moved from California to Nevada and in 2009 teamed up with another company to begin production in Manistee, Michigan.

Maxwell America, a boating equipment maker, in February 2010 closed its Santa Ana offices and moved them to Hanover, Md. One reason given was the indirect impact of California environmental regulations. A company official said over the years many California boat builders relocated to the Midwest and East where they don’t face the same restrictions.

MiaSolé, based in the Silicon Valley, was reported in January 2010 to be planning a 500,000-square-foot plant, which could be one of the largest solar factories in the United States. The location is not near its in Santa Clara headquarters but in the Atlanta, Georgia, area where its workforce eventually could exceed 1,000. The news came one week after MiaSolé received $101.8 million in federal tax credits.

MotorVac Technologies announced in February 2010 that it’s leaving Santa Ana for Ontario, Canada. MotorVac’s CEO said he “really fought hard to keep MotorVac here, but unfortunately the numbers didn't support it.” The move cuts costs because it’s new owner, UView, has its own plant with excess capacity in Canada. And the general cost of doing business in California is much more expensive."

Nissan North America moved its Los Angeles headquarters to Nashville, Tenn.

Northrop Grumman by 2011 will relocate its Los Angeles H.Q. to the Washington, DC metro area. It’s the last major aerospace company to leave Southern California, the birthplace of the aerospace industry.

One2Believe, a specialty religious-toy maker, left California for East Aurora, New York.

Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. (GoPed manufacturer), after being hit by California regulators for hundreds of thousands of dollars in small fines even though his company has a stellar safety record, moved to Nevada.

Paragon Relocation Resources moved from Rancho Santa Margarita to Irving, Texas.

Pixel Magic, headquartered in Toluca Lake, Calif., (Los Angeles metro area), is locating a studio in Lafayette, Louisiana, where it will create 40 new jobs between 2010 and 2013. The company, which provides digital effects for motion pictures and television, said the Louisiana people they were in contact with have an immediate understanding of technology and data handling.

Plastic Model Engineering, Inc., a custom plastic injection molder and mold manufacturer, moved from Sylmar, Calif. to the “Inland Northwest,” notably Post Falls, Idaho.

Precor will stop manufacturing fitness machines in California and re-open in North Carolina.

Premier Inc., the largest healthcare alliance in the nation, will move its HQ from San Diego to Charlotte, involving an investment of $17.7 million and adding 300 jobs in North Carolina. The announcement was made Oct. 14, 2009.

Pro Cal of South Gate, in Los Angeles County, a unit of Myers Industries, expanded its Sparks, Nev., operations to become the company's primary West Coast production and distribution facility. Pro Cal is a plastics manufacturer of nursery containers and a big recycler.

Race Track Chaplaincy of America started 2010 by shifting its headquarters from Los Angeles to Lexington, Kentucky. The non-profit group said it had wanted to relocate from the Hollywood Park Race Track for several reasons, one of which is the significant cost of doing business on the West Coast.

Red Truck Fire & Safety Company left Fresno for Minden, Nevada in 2007 because of California's myriad fees and regulations that meant “death by thousand cuts.”

SAIC will move its headquarters east, from San Diego to McLean, Virginia, which the Washington Post called “Another Coup for Area.” The announcement was made Sept. 24, 2009; it is unclear how many employees will move east in 2009 and 2010.

Scale Computing, a data-storage developer and manufacturer, is leaving Silicon Valley for Indiana.

Schott Solar Inc. will close its sales and customer service office in Roseville and will relocate the office to Albuquerque, NM.

SimpleTech transferred its manufacturing work from Santa Ana to Asia more than a year ago.

Smiley Industries, an aerospace manufacturer, moved to Phoenix, where productivity improved.

Solaicx, based in the Silicon Valley, said in early 2010 that it will expand its manufacturing plant in Portland, Oregon. Solaicx received $18.2 million in federal tax credits as part of Washington’s efforts to advance green energy.

SolarWorld, a maker of solar technology founded in Camarillo, consolidated manufacturing in Oregon after that state offered property tax abatement and business energy tax credits. The company will employ about 1,000 in Oregon by 2011.

Special Devices Inc. brought 250 jobs to Mesa, Arizona, from Moorpark, Calif.

StarKist headquarters is leaving San Francisco for Pittsburgh, Pa.

Stasis Engineering moved from Sonoma County to West Virginia, a “friendlier business climate.”

Stata Corp., which specializes in data analysis and statistical software, moved from Santa Monica, California to College Station, Texas.

Tapmatic, a metalworking firm whose owners were “fed up with the onerous business environment,” moved from Orange County, California to Post Falls in northern Idaho.

Teledesic moved to Washington state in anticipation of better capital gains.

Telmar Network Technology Inc. moved from Irvine to Plano, Texas, consolidating some 150 workers there.

Terremark postponed a Santa Clara project earlier this year to invest $50 million in a Culpeper, Va. project.

Terumo Cardiovascular Systems is moving R&D from OC to Ann Arbor, Michigan, involving 65 jobs and $3.5 million in investments.

Toyota will stop making cars in Fremont, will idle 4,700 workers, and move work to Canada and San Antonio, Texas.

True Games Interactive Inc. will its H.Q. from Irvine to Austin, Texas, where it expects to have about 60 workers by the middle of 2010.

TTM Technologies will leave L.A. & Hayward and move to other states and China to achieve big cost savings.

Twentieth Century Props of L.A. has gone out of business as film-making has moved to lower-cost states.

Understand.com moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to Reno, a loss for California in that the company is a leader in web-based patient education content and shows strong growth. The company was named 2007 Innovator of the Year by a Northern publication and the company’s founder and received a media and Reno-Tahoe Young Professionals Network Under 40 award and was selected as a 20/20 Business Visionary by Nevada Business Magazine.

US Airways is realigning operations and California is no longer considered part of its “core.” The airline is closing its John Wayne Airport maintenance station and in early 2010 will redistribute the mechanics across its system.

US Press shifted work from Los Angeles and San Diego to Portland, “where union rules were almost rational.”

USAA Insurance closed its 625-person Sacramento campus in favor of other states.

Yahoo opened a data center in Quincy, Washington, a community that now hopes to land high-tech manufacturing.
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Whew! Thanks for sticking with this post so far!

Continuing with the article:
Among the 69 [businesses most recently fleeing Fornicalia. -BZ] are some big names: CKE Restaurants, which started in Orange County and now is based in Carpinteria; Dunn-Edwards paints in Vernon; and eBay Inc. in San Jose which will add 1,000 high-paying jobs in Austin, Tex. after receiving government incentives to locate there.

Further, we must ask: WHY are businesses leaving Fornicalia? Are there some common threads? Can we identify commonalities and trends?

I submit: yes. We can. Here are the Top Ten Reasons listed according to Joe Vranich:

The #10 Reason (New!) – Unprecedented Energy Costs: The California Manufacturers and Technology Association states that commercial electrical rates here already are 50% higher than in the rest of the country. However, a law enacted in April 12, 2011 requires utilities to get one-third of their power from renewable sources (e.g., solar panels, windmills) within nine years. Look for costs to increase by another 19% in many places to a whopping 74% in Los Angeles. Such new burdens along with upcoming regulations stemming from the “California Global Warming Solutions Act” set potentially overwhelming obstacles to companies here as they try to meet competition based in other states and in foreign nations.

#9 – Severe Tax Treatment: The Tax Foundation in their 2011 State Business Tax Climate Index lists California at No. 49 for tax fairness. CFO Magazine ranked California the worst state for tax treatment. The Council on State Taxation ranks California as the only state to receive a D- grade (the lowest grade). Last year the National Conference of State Legislatures said California remains the number one state in raising taxes – raising them higher than any other state that increased taxes in 2009.

#8 – Worst Regulatory Burden: The consulting firm Bain & Co. constructed a “regulatory hassle index” that found "California is far worse than any other state by a very significant margin." The finding was echoed by Development Counselors International that found that 72% of surveyed corporate executives listed California as having the “worst business climate” in the entire United States. The newest survey, released in March 2011, found that 87.7% of California executives who also operate in several states say California is a harder place to do business than anywhere else. The survey, by the California Foundation for Commerce and Education, found that among the other 12.3%, not one executive said it’s easier doing business in California.

#7 – Dreadful Legal Treatment: The Civil Justice Association of California said the state ranks 44th in legal fairness to business. Los Angeles was again named the least fair and reasonable litigation environment in the entire country.

#6 – Most Expensive Business Locations: The Rose Institute of State and Local Government reported in its 2010 survey that California cities continue to be some of the most expensive locations to do business in the United States. That was confirmed by the Milken Institute, which found that California businesses are paying 23% more than the national average just to operate here.

#5 – Provable Savings Elsewhere: Again Bain & Co. found that more than half of California business leaders – an astonishing 60% – said their policy is to restrict job growth in the state or move jobs to other U.S. locations. Some companies are quite open about this, like Intel, which has said it will never build another plant in California, and McAfee in 2010 admitted it intentionally avoids hiring in California and saves about 30 to 40% every time it hires outside of the state.

#4 – Downright Unfriendly: The Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council in Virginia found that California ranked 49th overall in terms of business friendliness. That was echoed in February 2010 when The Mercatus Center at George Mason University ranked California 48th in economic, regulatory and personal freedoms in the 50 states.

#3 – Uncontrollable Spending: Extravagant spending causes California to now have the lowest credit rating of any state. The American Legislative Exchange Council points out: "Despite the dubious distinction of having both the highest statewide personal income tax and the highest state sales tax in the nation, California still finds itself with far and away the largest budget deficit of any state."

#2 – Excessively Adversarial: For two years in a row Chief Executive magazine found California to be the worst state in the nation in which to do business. Said one CEO, “California is terrible. Even when we’ve paid their high taxes in full, they still treat every conversation as adversarial. It’s the most difficult state in the nation.” The magazine calls California the “Venezuela of North America.”

#1 – The ‘Outpouring’ of Poor Rankings Continues: California ranked dead last in the latest Pollina Corporate Top 10 Pro-Business States for 2010 study. The finding was based on a composite of labor-related factors, business and personal taxes, the litigation environment, demographics, crime rates, school dropout rates, lifestyle and a multitude of other issues. There is little evidence that California’s business environment will improve considering that that the legislature in 2011 has voted down litigation reform, tax-increase plans are underway, and a host of new regulations are to be implemented that will increase costs for literally every business.

But will Fornicalia LISTEN??

I submit:

NO.

Those who drive the car of Fornicalia are not only Tone Deaf -- but -- Blinded By Philosophy.

Sorry for the length of the post but --

It was necessary.

Let YOUR state be forewarned of the destructive tendencies of Leftism.

BZ


12 Comments:

Blogger Bushwack said...

Coming to a country near you... The federal Government over the last 4+ years was led by whom? Yep Nancy Pelosi a Californian. California sends (I think) 54 reps to the house....

The flight will continue until the only industry left is tourism and prison stays.

The education system has produced a very liberal work force. An employer can be assured during the hiring process they will be under a microscope as well, any perception of a racism/sexism/LBGT/Immigrant denial will result in a host of activists and law suits...

If I had an idea to make money producing something, the first thing I'd do is LOOK ELSEWHERE to manufacture it. Pretty soon though if DC doesn't wise up, MORE and MORE business will be moving overseas.

Mon Apr 18, 06:28:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Well Seasoned Fool said...

Before "retiring" for the third time, I sold for the oldest automotive engine rebuilder in the country. They relocated to Dallas. Even with the costs associated with the move, they saved $800,000 the first year.

Once, the quality of life in CA was a big draw. Not so much now.

Mon Apr 18, 06:37:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Maggie Thornton said...

They just upped their fuel mix, didn't they -bringing about even tougher standards, as well as some cars being forcefully removed from the road? Great way to move people out of that beautiful, socialist-land. And that happened after the lastest warning of Ethanol.

Now you've got Jerry Brown. What idiots, BZ!

Mon Apr 18, 07:40:00 PM PDT  
Blogger TexasFred said...

You DO know? There is a *page break* option on Blogger...

I don't know how ANY decent person can stay in California...

Between the triple prices for everything, the libbers, the government and the unbelievable restrictions you guys live under, you're not in America, you're in a satellite Commie nation...

Tue Apr 19, 06:16:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Z said...

those empty buildings are the real nightmare.
I remember in about 1976 when a company called FORTRESS, which made metal furniture, had to leave California because of new emissions laws. I didn't realize then what was coming.

Obama was on this morning at a "town hall" (should it be called that by his minions when it's always at a college with nothing but adoring college kids there?) saying that we need to encourage foreign companies to open companies here but "they won't if we don't fix our infrastructure because they won't want their trucks having to go over pot holes"..I swear he did.
He forgot to mention how they're all too smart to come and pay union wages here in the first place!
GeeeZ

Fred, I'm 'decent', believe me, and I love this State. We'll pull out of it just about the time other states are sinking into it.

Tue Apr 19, 11:13:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Z said...

"idiots" and "indecent"...WOW!! I guess everyone's just supposed to leave their home states with all their families and their businesses and their lives here because others think we're nuts to stay here?
WOW.

Tue Apr 19, 11:14:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Greybeard said...

The Federal Government is one step behind California...
Two peas in a pod. Those of us with an objective view continue to be amazed as we watch CA and the U.S. continue on this path to destruction and wonder why. And I've come to a conclusion-
It's exactly like a drug addiction...
They know it's bad for them (us).
They know things will turn out very badly if they don't make VERY painful changes soon.
But they don't want to make those changes right now...
"Just one more hit, and after that I PROMISE I'll change."
So it won't happen, and change will come when the proverbial heart stops beating. At that point the chaos will start, and those of us with the guns and ammo to defend ourselves and those we love will be making the rules as we go along.
Just remember, they're smarter and more compassionate than we are!
We're in the best of hands.

Be prepared, or be a victim.

Tue Apr 19, 01:30:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bushwack said...

Well I do think Fred and Maggie have a point. Some of us are still here because our business hasn't left yet. We continue vote in the minority and try to educate people about the choices they make.

I've always felt I was behind enemy lines here. Lately it's gotten worse. This gives me hope. I hope that a dose of Brown and his cronies will put the final nail in the coffin here. As bad as it is now, it needs to get exponentially worse in order to start the rebuilding process. Not enough pain has been felt.

Tue Apr 19, 03:33:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

If I were young and didn't have only another year or so to retirement, and if I didn't lose my healthcare the microsecond I crossed over the state line (my healthcare would triple, if I could get it), I would leave. Problem is, it's a little tough to sell a house in this environment, particularly when you're upside down on one of them. For the young people here, however, and specifically if they're Caucasoid, I'd tell them to get the HELL out of Dodge immediately.

A little late for me. Not too late for young kids.

BZ

Tue Apr 19, 03:33:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Maggie Thornton said...

Z, I thought it would be apparent that I meant the "idiots" that elected Jerry Brown. I've said it here before, and I'll say it again. I love California. If I could afford to live where I wanted, I'd be there in a minute, no matter the politics.

Tue Apr 19, 03:40:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Leticia said...

From what I recall 19 years ago, the cost of living was absolutely painful to those only earning minimum wage. Glad I was smart enough to move back to Texas!

California is like an entire little nation all on its own. The state government is more concerned about LGBT, Planned Parenthood and protecting illegals instead of working on the economy that has gone to crap.

Tue Apr 19, 04:03:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Old NFO said...

Big and small, they are bailing... NOW who is going to pay???

Tue Apr 19, 06:47:00 PM PDT  

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