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Bloviating Zeppelin: "Green Companies & Jobs" = BULLSHIT Alert

Bloviating Zeppelin

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Tuesday, October 25, 2011

"Green Companies & Jobs" = BULLSHIT Alert

That also = the American Taxpayer is about to be FLEECED.

Particularly in the vehicle arena.

I wrote on Saturday, October 22nd, about the LIE that was proffered by the Obama Administration -- or more specifically, from Vice President Joe Biden -- about an American electric car company:

With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million dollar federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

Vice President Joseph Biden heralded the Energy Department's $529 million loan to the start-up electric car company called Fisker as a bright new path to thousands of American manufacturing jobs. But two years after the loan was announced, the job of assembling the flashy electric Fisker Karma sports car has been outsourced to Finland.

Read that again: "thousands of American manufacturing jobs" -- promised by Joe Biden, Demorat.

And again, just like the now-bankrupt Solyndra company, half a BILLION of our taxpayer dollars were purposely injected by the Obama Administration into a "green" company. Because "green," after all, is our future. It does nothing but sell itself!

In the case of Solyndra, however, it failed. The Obama Administration then adhered to the definition of insanity: it wanted to give ANOTHER half a BILLION dollars to Solyndra.

What is the definition of insanity? Oh, that's right: "doing the same thing over again and expecting different results (absent Psychology Today)."

In the case of Fisker, half a BILLION dollars were spent on an electric car company just so it could outsource the manufacturing to FINLAND. Goodbye to those "thousands" of PROMISED American jobs.

With that in mind, ∞ ≠ ø provided a link in the comments section of my Fisker post, bringing another aspect of their electric vehicle to light: its incredible INEFFICIENCY. From
The Fisker Karma electric car, developed mainly with your tax money so that a bunch of rich VC’s wouldn’t have to risk any real money, has rolled out with an nominal EPA MPGe of 52 in all electric mode (we will ignore the gasoline engine for this analysis).

Not bad? Unfortunately, it’s a sham. This figure is calculated using the grossly flawed EPA process that substantially underestimates the amount of fossil fuels required to power the electric car, as I showed in great depth in an earlier article. In short, the EPA methodology leaves out, among other things, the conversion efficiency in generating the electricity from fossil fuels in the first place.

Warren Meyer continues to write:

As I calculated in my earlier Forbes article, one needs to multiply the EPA MPGe by .365 to get a number that truly compares fossil fuel use of an electric car with a traditional gasoline engine car on an apples to apples basis. In the case of the Fisker Karma, we get a true MPGe of 19. This makes it worse than even the city rating of a Ford Explorer SUV.

Congrats to the Fisker Karma, which now joins corn ethanol in the ranks of heavily subsidized supposedly green technologies that are actually worse for the environment than current solutions.

To summarize: the American Taxpayer was fleeced -- AGAIN -- to the tune of half a billion dollars so that:

1. American jobs can be shipped to Finland
- in order to produce
2. An electric car which is less efficient than an SUV

I'll go you one better: I have a 2008 Toyota Corolla LE which I purchased used in 2009 from and had shipped from Los Angeles because I liked the color and the interior. I could have purchased a new Corolla or a new Escalade or a new Porsche for that matter, but I didn't want a new Corolla or a new Escalade or a new Porsche. I wanted what I ordered. I limo-tinted the windows, applied custom sheepskin seat covers, and have the only 2008 LE on the planet with fog lights -- which you can only get on the Corolla S. Because I had them custom-installed by a Toyota body shop.

The new Corolla body change occurred in 2009. I didn't like the 2009, or the 2010 or 2011 Corollas (nor the new 2012 Corolla) because they're heavier, get worse gas mileage, and I still don't care for their interiors. My 2008 Corolla has gotten 44 mpg and averages 35 mpg. 44 mpg is PRIUS territory. And my 2008 Corolla doesn't rape the environment like a Prius.

To wit:

Prius vs Ford Expedition.

Prius vs Hummer.

Where do all those batteries come from? From where are those materials, ingredients, metals and resources mined? How are they collected? How are they packaged on-site? How are they shipped? Who mines those materials? How are they paid? Under what conditions must they work? What kind of breaks or wages are they afforded? Are the miners repressed? How many miles and over what transportation sources are those toxic materials shipped? How does the shipping affect the environment? Are the shipping procedures "green"? Through how many customs sites and borders must they pass? How costly is this? How far must these materials travel and over what kind of energy-inefficient conveyances?

All excellent questions that need to be asked regarding hybrid and/or electric vehicles utilizing huge battery packs. If you're not asking those questions, you're not truly "green."

And how, when sold or discarded, are the massive battery packs in hybrid vehicles like the Prius handled? How are they disposed? Where are they disposed? Who disposes them? Under what regulations are they disposed? Wet batteries? Dry batteries? Acid? Toxic materials?

You're an adult. You can figure it out.


Not to mention how Emergency Responders, fire and police, have to factor hybrid or solely-electric vehicles into their action plans in terms of driver/passenger danger, environmental hazards, broken battery packs, acid leakage, widespread distributive factors of collision influence, length and breadth of affected scene, and HazMat issues.

I'll take the Hummer. Its simpler.


Blogger Well Seasoned Fool said...

First Prius we took in trade was using a set of tires every 15,000 miles. Toyota, to reduce rolling resistance, put narrow tires on a very heavy car for the size of the car.

The customer was delighted to trade it in on a Kia Optima.I was delighted to give them about half "book" value and even happier to wholesale it to a Boulder, CO dealer for more than "book".

The all electric Tesla is a rich mans vanity toy we ordinary citizens get to subsidize.

Given the Lotus chassis, and Lotus' less than stellar record, I wouldn't sit in one in a parking lot.

Mon Oct 24, 06:49:00 PM PDT  
Blogger ASM826 said...

Excellent. Those questions about the batteries need to be asked every time someone brings up "green" automobiles.

Tue Oct 25, 05:47:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Old NFO said...

Great post, and MANY facts that get conveniently ignored in the mpg battles!!!

Tue Oct 25, 09:12:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

WSF, I rented a Prius a couple of years ago whilst bodywork was being done on another vehicle. I found it intriguing at first because you had to treat it like a computer. I stopped at a book store, got back in, tried to start it (I left one computer step out) and I couldn't get it to move. I ended up calling the rental agency for advice. That was very embarrassing.

I can see where Toyota or other hybrid manufacturers would apply thinner tires to bring the MPG up. And yes, the Tesla is another example.

ASM826, proving my point that green may not be so green when you open its hood and DARE to look inside and begin asking questions.

NFO, here's another interesting tidbit for those who think they're helping the environment by driving a SmartForTwo car: its EPA rating is 35 (average in my Corolla) mpg -- which is not stellar by any means -- and NO ONE tells you it must use PREMIUM gasoline.


Tue Oct 25, 10:42:00 AM PDT  
Blogger ∞ ≠ ø said...

Adding more insult, H.O.V. laws out here allow single occupancy for hybrids in the controlled lane(s) and all of interstate 66 is HOV only inside the beltway. That alone has driven the market here.

I have two options for my commute.

1. The 1 hour option: Use a two lane light festered mess; and dream of slaughtering traffic engineers.

2. The 40 min. option: Use the 14 mile private (Australian) toll road ($5.25) using the HOV (w kids) and drive in a long line of Prius minded people.

3. 20 to life option: Forgetting that I don't have the kids, using the toll road, paying $5.25, sitting bumper to bumper being passed by single occupant Prius minded people in the HOV lane.

Three is not an option. I've done it twice.

Hmmm "Prius minded" Term borne here.

Wed Oct 26, 12:05:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

∞ ≠ ø , I too dream of slaughtering traffic engineers and the ASSHOLE(S) who first THOUGHT of H.O.V. lanes. They are completely pointless in Fornicalia, where illegal Mexicans drive newer and better cars than me already. Nothing like a pack of illegals in a new Lexus passing me in the HOV lane to the left. Aaaaaah, justice, thy taste is so sweet. . .

So tell me: where in Australia are you indeed?


Wed Oct 26, 10:12:00 AM PDT  
Blogger ∞ ≠ ø said...

Sorry, accidentally understated the irony. I live in Leesburg Virginia and would travel east about 40 miles to reach the center of D.C. My commute is 7 mi.short of that distance. The damn toll road is owned by some Australian. He represents the longest straw in my wallet.

Thu Oct 27, 05:11:00 AM PDT  

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