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Bloviating Zeppelin: Iran No Threat?

Bloviating Zeppelin

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Tuesday, December 11, 2007

Iran No Threat?


Well of course, if you but ask the Demorats and those who cheered when the newest NIE was released last week. Last Thursday, I posted about my thoughts on the NIE. John Bolton questioned the veracity of its contents. The Israelis questioned its contents as well.

Most recently, an Israeli Minister said (please note my red italics for emphasis):

The manner in which the Americans relate to the intelligence report on Iran is similar to the way in which they viewed those reports they received during the Holocaust on railways transporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to their death at Auschwitz," Minister Yitzhak Cohen of Shas said during a security cabinet meeting Sunday morning on the Iranian nuclear issue.

"It can not be that (US President George W.) Bush is committed to peace as was declared at Annapolis, and then the Americans propagate such an intelligence report which contradicts the information we have proving Iran intends to obtain nuclear weapons," Cohen said. "How can we rely on the Americans if they publish this report that emasculates what the world explicitly knows regarding Iran, and renders impotent the entire struggle against the Iranians?"

This, my dear readers, is what is termed a swift, public kick to the US groin by Israel.

Minister Cohen asserted that the report must have been "ordered by someone who wants dialogue with Tehran" and formulated an historical analogy to express just how serious the situation is: "In the middle of the previous century the Americans received intelligence reports from Auschwitz on the packed trains going to the extermination camps. They claimed then that the railways were industrial. Their attitude today to the information coming out of Iran on the Iranians' intention to produce a nuclear bomb reminds one of their attitude during the holocaust."

Cabinet Member Cohen had this to say to his fellow ministers not present in the meeting: "Whoever thinks that the president of Iran is a lover of Zion, with Kosher certification from the Americans, misleads and is mislead. He is not a lover of Zion, but instead an aspiring strangler of Zion. Someone in America fell asleep on his watch, but we must remain awake and aware."

Earlier a senior security source told Ynet that "Iran will do all in its power to proceed on the path (to a nuclear weapon), while trying to confuse the western world." In the meeting, policy makers attempted to formulate the Israeli response to the American National Intelligence Estimate, published last week, which asserted that Iran suspended its activities for acquiring nuclear weapons in 2003.

In the meantime, a UK Sunday Telegraph report says British intelligence has serious doubts that Tehran has shelved nuclear weapons program. 'Iranian nuclear staff, knowing their phones were tapped, deliberately gave misinformation; they will say anything to throw us off,' a UK official was quoted as saying.

According to senior ministers, Israel has information proving that Iran did not cease in its efforts to obtain a nuclear bomb, and is only acting in secret. Nevertheless, none of the three top ministers, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, or Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni seeks to create a confrontation with the American administration.

A senior security official who has seen the materials Israel possesses claims that there is enough incriminating information regarding Iran's intentions.

"Even if the world lacks clear evidence, the (Iranian) agenda is clear. We have no doubt that it is (President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollahs who are directing the program. Israel has gathered enough information to obligate the international community to continue with its intensive activity against creating a bomb," he said.

As Yoni Tidi wrote in his December 4th blog entry, Israel appears to be quite alone:

So America hangs Israel out to dry at Annapolis, with a follow up visit by President Bush to Israel in January 2008 in an attempt to push forward the birth of a terrorist state and now Israel will have to shoulder the fight against Iran alone.

America may talk the talk but mark my words when the Iranian nuclear program is taken out it will be with missiles that proudly wear a Star of David not Old Glory.

Israel needs to look at our relationship with America with a new honest assessment, about who are our real friends.

To me, Yoni's words hurt; they hurt a great deal. I can only say this to Mr. Tidi: I suspect the bulk of America stands with Israel. Perhaps not our current short-sighted administration, but the rank-and-file American. Make no mistake: I stand with Israel.

Those who believe the NIE is accurate are naive and just plain wrong.



Blogger Bushwack said...

I find this report hoopla kind of funny...If the report would have said "Iran is a great threat to the security of the middle east because of it's nuclear ability" The left would have dismissed it as "Bush Cheney war mongering" BUT; it actually said what the left wants it to say so it MUST BE TRUE....

As far as hanging Israel out to dry, I don't believe Bush will do that if Israel decided to take action and destroy Iran's capability.
I do think Israel better hurry and do it though, the next president could be Obama or Hilary and they probably would hang Israel out to dry.

Mon Dec 10, 09:03:00 PM PST  
Blogger TexasFred said...

Anyone that would believe Iran has given up it's nuclear program would likely blow anyone that can't pronounce nuclear...

I wonder who that could be??

Anyone?? Bueller??

Mon Dec 10, 09:16:00 PM PST  
Blogger Ranando said...

I have no problem with taking out Iran, hell take em out just for the target practice.

I just don't want to attack Iran under this administration, I want to win on this one. I can hear bush now, "I want to attack Iran but I don't want any Iranians killed or hurt".

Let's wait until we have a Good Old Democrat in office, like Roosevelt or Truman.

Let's face it, there's not one GOP candidate, except Tancredo, that has the balls to do it right.

You know what's really sad about this is that the Iranian People are about the most decent people of all these Arab Countries. Fuck Em, let's do it!

Tue Dec 11, 04:50:00 AM PST  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Unfortunately, like most everything else, it isn't strictly the people -- it's who controls them and, more importantly, who controls Admadinnerjacket. And 'dinnerjacket is NOT in charge. Khameini IS.


Tue Dec 11, 06:16:00 AM PST  
Blogger Ranando said...

You are right on BZ.

99.9% of all people on this planet could get along just fine without these asshat leaders we all have in place.

Tue Dec 11, 06:26:00 AM PST  
Blogger Rivka said...

Does anyone think that if we had evidence that Iran had nukes that we would know about it?

Does anyone think that Iran would let us know about it?

Does anyone think even if we had one decent intel officer not engaged in politics who knew for sure they had it that we would follow up on the intel and do something about it? I think not. Not with the political climate the way it is. That is sad and is incredibly dangerous for Israel and the world.

Tue Dec 11, 07:06:00 AM PST  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Lets see how many Presidents have heard the siren song of doing something about the Middle East?

Bush(43)? Yes.
Clinton? Yes.
Bush(41)? Yes.
Reagan? Yes.
Carter? Yes.
Ford? Shuttle diplomacy continued, Yes.
Nixon? Yes.

Ok, going on 40 years bare minimum. Has any of these guys actually figured it out?


'Same old, same old' just doesn't work, and this NIE is just another in a long, long, long line of blunders by the CIA in regards to the ME. Just like having State Dept. officers assassinated by the PLO in Khartoum... can't risk endangering meetings now, can we, by actually bringing anyone to any sort of justice! Meetings *must* go on!

If memory serves Eisenhower was caught pretty flat by the Suez crisis. Hmmm... CIA couldn't even keep track of UK and France?

And then there were all the predictions from Langley that the Shah had *tons* of support in Iran. Gotta love that wonder of insight!

How about that Henry 'Special K' Kissinger and his frequent flier miles coming to nothing? Why *is* the man seen as a master of foreign policy?

Or the strange notion floated during the Carter Administration that we could somehow get the islamic extremists on 'our side' against the USSR... that was *after* the hostage taking started in 1979, not before.

Or Iran/Contra where Ollie North decided that it would be a really great thing to introduce one of the top Syrian arms dealers, head of the Bekaa valley drug family, and money launderer par excellence to South America complete with US approval and credentials? Got us a brand spanking new Hezbollah in the Tri-Border Area of S. America, gun running going from Argentina to all points on the compass and has led to the expansion of radical islam globally. Thanks for that, Ollie! What a 'neat idea' that turned out to be...

Then 'rescuing Kuwait' would get us all sorts of approbation on 'the Arab Street' and if those lovely Shia would just rise up against Saddam we would support them... oh, well, that was too much bother, sorry 300,000 of you got slaughtered because of it, better luck next time.

Then President Clinton wanting a 'nation building' exercise in the Balkans that would extend the range of BOTH parts of radical islam!! Iran and Saudi Arabia are *both* running training camps, collecting followers and threatening Europe...

Now, of course, we get a President who just might turn Kosovo over to an al Qaeda leader! Isn't that special?

Mind you during all of this, we have heard nary a peep out of all the administrations since 1979 about Syria building up a chem/bio/nuclear arsenal along with long range missiles.

INTEL in the ME? Uh-huh... riiiiggghhttt.... from the agency that told us, in the mid-1980's, that the USSR would be around *at least* until 2030?

How about that wonderful diplomacy stuff? Why, we only bribe Egypt to 'peace' with Israel to the tune of $2 billion/year, every year since the signing of the 'peace' treaty under Carter. Say, if they are at 'peace' why the hell should we have to spend a dime on it?

What *was* that thing that Jefferson talked about? 'Millions for defense, not one cent for TRIBUTE', I think it was...

Out of all of this we have, actually, learned what works in the ME: guns and armies. Bombing only so-so.

Tue Dec 11, 11:32:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what do you think of the very popular view by a leading Israeli analyst Obadiah Shoher? He argues (here, for example, www. ) that the Bush Administration made a deal with Iran: nuclear program in exchange for curtailing the Iranian support for Iraqi terrorists. His story seems plausible, isn't it?

Tue Dec 11, 02:06:00 PM PST  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Alex: hmmm. I would cut a serious deal with a serious Islamist nation and consider it as valid as a $17 bill.


Tue Dec 11, 02:44:00 PM PST  
Blogger shoprat said...

When this all comes out, it will be a mess. What more can I say.

Tue Dec 11, 04:21:00 PM PST  

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